Shining Bright with Steven Canals

Steven Canals The Antidote

Shining Bright with Steven Canals

In this episode of The Antidote, Amy and Grace connect with director, screenwriter, and producer, Steven Canals, about Oprah interviews, traveling to France, and never dimming his light. 

Amy and Grace share their bummer news of the week: The mass shooting at Robb Elementary in Uvalde, Texas that killed 19 students and 2 teachers and left at least 17 others injured.

Amy and Grace share ways you can support the victims of recent mass shootings and urge lawmakers to step up to end gun violence.  

You can donate to:

The Texas Elementary School Shooting Victims Fund, organized by Victims First. 

The Buffalo 5-14 Survivors Fund  organized by The National Compassion Fund

You can Send a letter through Everytown USA to your senator to 

prioritize gun legislation. 

You can text ACT to 644-33 which connects you to Everytown USA. 

Amy and Grace also share their antidotes for the week, which include a bathroom spa day and a hot toddy.

This week’s Creative Tap-In: 

“Trust that still, small voice that says, This might work and I’ll try it.”

- Diane Mariechild


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Amy The world is a dumpster fire. I'm Amy.

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Amy During hese trying times. We all need a show that focuses on joy.

Grace This is The Antidote. Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode. And you know what? It's been a week. I think we all know what I'm talking about, though. You know, usually we give a little chitchat at the top of the show, but, you know, we're going to go straight into the bummer news this week.

Amy And, you know, trigger warning. We're going to be talking about mass shootings and gun violence. So if you'd rather skip the segment and protect your peace, we completely understand. Feel free to just skip ahead on your podcast app until you hear us talking about antidotes, which you'll know because we'll, you know, we'll sound more relaxed. The only thing we're discussing today is, as you can probably guess, are the 19 students and two teachers who are killed in a mass shooting in my home state of Texas. Just for context, if you haven't heard.

Grace And where have you been?

Amy I mean, where have you been? If you haven't heard? But we're just a mere ten days after a gunman killed ten black people in Buffalo, New York, who were just at the grocery store living a normal Saturday. And now we're encountering the fact that an 18 year old gunman killed 19 students and two teachers in a mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas. And of course, he is used an AR-15, according to The New York Times, officials said that when specially equipped federal immigration agents arrived at Robb Elementary School, local police told them to hold off from confronting the gunman. So this man was just in there going ham. While police were right outside, parents, in fact, begged police to enter the school while the shooter was inside. But they allegedly refused for 40 entire minutes.

Grace Ah. I don't even know. How to express my grief this week. Because Buffalo happened, I believe, on the 14th, it was just it's a process that, that people just woke up that morning and went to the grocery store and were murdered by an AR 15 that said the N-word on the side. Then they were just shot down and it was on Twitch. What sick stuff is that? And I like I had that pit in my stomach was still not healed and I was trying to figure out like be able to like live life again after beginning to process that trauma. And then I'm at work one day and I hear this and that it's babies I the fact that still in yet there have been bills announced and tried to be passed already and that the Republicans the GOP or whatever refused to oct.

Amy Yeah.

Grace Once again.

Amy Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it because there have been more mass shootings in America than there have been days in 2022. Okay. So Tuesday, May 24th, was the 144th day of the year and it was the 212th mass shooting in 2022. That's how bad this is. And that's the thing. There have been two gun bills that have passed in the House and not yet in the Senate. They're called H.R. eight in H.R. 1446, that both would tighten gun sales regulations by expanding background checks. No one's trying to take anyone's guns. We're just trying to have background checks for the people who have them. And also, no one needs an AR15, literally. That's what these bills are saying. And the way that it's being convoluted in the press to be like they're trying to take our guns. And I'm like, No, you don't need these guns. And we're trying to background people like this guy who bragged on Twitter about having an AR 15 two days before he went and shot up this school. That's what these bills are trying to stop. And the GOP won't let them pass because they are being funded by gun lobbyists. That's the issue.

Grace 1,000% and it's so disgusting. I used to be a writer's assistant on a show in New York and in between seasons I actually worked at Everytown for Gun Safety. So I should say that people I remember having to check the emails and people thinking that Sandy Hook was a hoax and people sending such terrible emails to this organization. We weren't allowed to tell people where the office was. Like, we literally had signed something not to tell anyone where the office was and all that organization was ever trying to do with like universal background checks, the mental health.

Amy That's if that's it.

Grace Then I actually got to attend a bunch of lectures and stuff like that and I would love to take everybody's guns away. I, I'm not on the same page as every town. I would like to take everybody's guns away.

Amy I understand.

Grace But I remember even learning that having a gun in the household or whatever even increases the likelihood of death by suicide. Yeah, it increases the likelihood of death by domestic violence. Like it like beyond the mass shooting issue, like guns in the home, like kill children. This gun culture, this addiction to guns that this country has is sick and twisted and it's killing, you know, thousands of people every year that don't need to be dead. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

Amy 100%. Last thing I want to bring up on the dark side of this issue is that, you know, Beto O'Rourke, he's a former El Paso congressman. He confronted Texas Governor Greg Abbott at a press conference and said, quote, The time to stop the next shooting is right now and you are doing nothing. You said this is not predictable. This is totally predictable, end quote. And the thing is, he's right. He's absolutely right. And the fact that the police swept him out of that courtroom faster than they entered that school is something that kept me up at night. The fact that he spoke truth to power for one 5 second moment and they got him out of there is something that I'm just like, Wow, so weird. Are we still confused about what police are up to? Are we still confused about what you care about?

Grace 1,000%. This is the sickness that the NRA has made, like being Republicans synonymous with loving guns, like and.

Amy And also somehow synonymous with pro. What's the word again? Pro life. The party that's pro life won't get rid of AR15. The party that's pro life. Yeah. Won't protect the lives of children.

Grace Make it make sense Make it make sense.

Amy Make it make f---ing sense. It doesn't.

Grace So what we wanted to do is give our listeners opportunities to help in some way, shape or form, you know, at the end of the day. This will not bring any of the people back. So even, you know, donating money feels very hollow right now because I keep thinking about those kids that were dropped off at school that morning and are not in their parents arms right now. But here are some things that you can do to help some of the victims families.

Amy In our own way. Grace And I often feel that an antidote in times like this is activism. And like Grace said, sometimes giving money feels hollow. But we also want you to call your senators, call your congressmen, and we'll present some ways to do that, both in our show notes and right now and on our social feeds, so that you can stay involved in whatever capacity you can handle. No pressure. You know, sometimes you have to disconnect to stay, you know, present in your day. But hopefully this is helpful.

Grace You can donate to the Texas elementary victims. Go fundme. It's 4.5 million at the time of this recording and counting. So a lot of people have been donating to that one. The fund was started by victims, first a network of families of the deceased and survivors from over two decades of previous mass shootings.

Amy Let's not forget that these shootings have been happening for a while. So you can donate to the Buffalo Survivors fundraiser. It's $2 million and counting. And it was started by the National Compassion Fund, which is a subsidiary of the National Center for Victims of Crime, the nation's leading resource and advocacy center for Victims of All Types of Crime. There's also, of course, Sandy Hook Promise. Let's not forget the mass shooting that we thought would change things that didn't. You can donate to the Sandy Hook Promise. The Sandy Hook victims are working to get more laws for gun control. You can donate or send a letter to congress through their portal.

Grace And you can also donate to Everytown USA. And they also have a resource that allows you to send a letter to your senator through Demanding to prioritize gun legislation. And you can text A-C-T to 644-33.

Amy That's text A-C-T to 644-33. And it auto populates information that you can send to your senator. Wow. Okay. Well, it's hard to come out of something like that. I mean. Yeah. How are you feeling, Grace?

Grace Um, not great. Very sad this week. How about you?

Amy I mean, very much the same. It's really hard. I'm just going to be honest and, like, it's really hard because it's my home state. It's a state where, you know, my brothers are raising their children. And the fact that this keeps happening in America on repeat. It just makes me think of that Onion article like No way to prevent Says only country where this always happens. And yeah, I feel powerless and really emotional. And I this feeling is going to continue. And I also want to be able to push forward and find some space for positivity. And so that's what we're here for, is not to ignore what's going on. It's really to just find ways to try and find ways to bring ourselves comfort. So, yeah.

Grace This country is, I don't know, maybe time for a new one. Maybe we need to start from scratch. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe we can start from scratch because people should be able to go. And this is just examples for the from the past week and a half, people should be able to go to the grocery store, to church and to elementary school without fear of being gunned down. I know I've been looking over my shoulder every time I've been to the grocery store this week, so. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's get into the antidote.


Amy Yeah. So this is the segment where we tell you about the culture we consumed and things we did this week that made us feel better about the bummer news. Or at least try to. What was your antidote this week, Grace?


Grace Well, I will say that my antidote this week probably just it didn't work. That was intended to make me feel better. It didn't really make me feel better, but it did gave me a moment of escape. I decided one day to do a bathroom spa day.


Amy Nice.


Grace Which is the lovely. So what I do is I usually put on like I have a little portable speaker and so I put on like, you know, one of my favorite podcasts, Why Won't You Date Me by Nicole Byer? Because, you know, listening to Nicole is always going to be fun. It's always going to be silly if I was going to make me laugh. So I put that on and then I took like a really lovely long shower using my favorite exfoliating scrub, which is by Mary Magdalene and my favorite.


Amy I love that. Wait, there's a brand of body scrub called Mary Magdalene?


Grace Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that. You know it exfoliates, which we all need to, like, slip off, like, all the dead skin, and then it also has oil in it, so it's also moisturizing at the same time. So I did that, and then I washed my face and I use Tata Harper products for that. But I also have this little PMD. I'm showing it to Amy right now.


Amy What is that? What's a PMD?


Grace It's like a little it's like a scrubber on one side. So it has like.


Amy It looks like Gumby, like it's like a little body that, like, has no arms. And then around round little head, it's real cute.


Grace And so it's pink because I'm a girl. Yeah. And, and then it has like these little scrubby, like silicone scrubs on one side.


Amy Oh, I see.


Grace And then on the other side, there's just a rose quartz, little death. And then the rose quartz. Little disc heats up.


Amy Wait, what? How? Oh, because water in the shower.


Grace No, no, no, no. This is this. This is actually. You charge it, so it's.


Amy Yeah, that's why it kind of looks like a vibrator.


Grace Yeah.


Amy It does kind of look like a vibrator. I said it looked like Gumby, but it looks like a vibrator.


Grace But anyway, it does not. But on one side, it's got this little rose quartz, little disk and it heats up. So you. So what I do is as I'm getting out of the shower, I press the little button that makes it heat up, and then I put on my, like, little robe or whatever, and then I go over to the sink and that's where the spa day continues. Friends. So the.


Amy Start the YouTube girl. Start the YouTube channel like, what.


Grace So, so then I have this new product that I just introduced into my skincare routine that I'm obsessed with. It's by Pat McGrath, makeup maven. Jamaican Queen. British Jamaican queen. Anyway, so there's this beautiful it's it's called Rose 001 The Essence. And it's called Divine Skin. And let me tell you, you just put like three little drops in your palm and then you just press it into your skin. And literally, it smells so good. And then it just it my skin loves it. It just sucks it up or whatever, and. And if I can literally feel my skin looking better, feeling more tight or whatever. So after that I put on lactic acid. My I do mine from Tatcha or whatever it's called the dewy serum. And then I finish it off with Ren, which is clean beauty.


Amy Oh, I love Ren. And it's not expensive either. Ren is not expensive and really good products.


Grace Yeah. Yeah. And it's also clean beauty because I've been very obsessed with like not putting, I don't know, chemicals, toxic chemicals in the skin. So it's clean skincare and I use the glow daily vitamin C gel cream all over. And so my skin is like so moisturized and supple. And then I did like a little under-eye mask just from Sephora.


Amy What the f---? This is-


Amy I put.


Amy Like y'all goinna have to like text Grace or DM her and be like, just drop me the regimen. Because she's been talking for 40 minutes and I'm like, oh, I need all of these things.


Grace Yeah. Made me feel taking care like I was taking care of myself in the midst of all the grief that I was feeling this week over the shootings. But I so it didn't fully take away that, but it gave me a moment at least like, Oh, I'm taking care of myself right now, which made me feel really good. So what was your antidote this week, Amy?


Amy Yeah, I, I've been feeling a little sick, so I have been making myself hot toddies in the evening before I go to bed. I love a hot toddy, I said. I only I think there was a time where I said, I have the ingredients to make one drink in my house and it's a Sazerac that's like my favorite cocktail. But I actually always have the ingredients to make a hot toddy. Hot toddy is ginger tea with honey, a splash of lemon and just a dollop of whiskey. And I really enjoy making it. When you feel like sore throat or like a cold coming on or anything like that, it's nice to drink something warm before you go to bed. And the whiskey kind of, like, helps you sleep well because it's not like. It's like half a shot of whiskey. I'm not. I'm not, like, out here getting drunk on a hot toddy, but I like switching up the whiskey because it makes the hot toddy taste different. Of course, you all know my obsession with Bro Brother's whiskey, but I also really love redemption rye and some spicier whiskeys too, that I've tried in my hot toddy. And this week it was nice to do this because I'm someone who tends to check the news like morning, noon, night, and not like all day long, but literally in the morning, around noon. And at night, because that's when I have breaks. So I'll check the news on my lunch break. I check the news before I go to bed. And obviously the news this week was really dark. And what was great was that I would check it before I made or before before while I was drinking my hot toddy. And then I would like watch some Netflix and just chill out a little bit. And then because of the whiskey, I'm like, Ooh, I'm a little and also ginger t makes the entire too. So like, ooh, I'm a little tired. I'm just going to go straight to bed. I'm not going to read anything else. I'm just going to go straight to bed. And it was really nice and I actually enjoyed some nice dreams that were not about work, which is what I usually dream about.


Grace Oh God, I literally can't believe that you dream about work.


Amy Oh, it's terrible. I don't enjoy it. Feels like I worked all night, but yeah. So if you feel like making yourself a little evening beverage, you can make a hot toddy. And if you are, like, sensitive to alcohol or don't want to have the alcohol, you can also just have ginger tea with honey and lemon. It's really relaxing. Yeah, ginger tea is a digestive, so it also helps your food digest and is good for you. So yeah. A delicious little evening cocktail to take me on to Sleepy Town.


Grace I love that. I love a hot toddy sometimes even when I'm not feeling sick. I love love a hot toddy because it just gives you that warm. Like the whiskey going down feels a long arm, and then it mixes with the natural warmth of the tea. And then, yeah, there's a little bit of sweet and a little bit of sour. It's really, really a delightful drink. So I'm glad that that brought you a little comfort this week.


Amy I can see that and it makes sense. Both of our antidotes were about relaxation.


Grace Yes, relaxation. And like calming down escape, self care. Like, yeah.


Amy We needed that this week for that. And also listeners, just so you know, we also want to know what your antidotes are. So tell us your self-care stories, the things you're doing to check in with you to make sure that you're staying centered, to disconnect from these sh---y times. Head to our website antidote show, dawg, scroll to the bottom and press contact us. And also, you know what? You can also send us a voice note or a video. It doesn't have to be an email. Whatever is easier for you, just go and contact us. We might just play it on a future episode when we come back from the break we have. A throwback interview with our dear friend and showrunner Steven Canals that we recorded very early in our antidote journey. He was so kind to be like, Yeah, I'll let you all practice on me. And it's so good we just have to share with the world. It was such a great interview. So stay with us and we'll be right back. Welcome back to the antidote. We have a special guest today. Who is it, Grace?


Grace Your friend, Steven Canals. Hailing from the Bronx, Steven Canals is the Emmy nominated and Peabody Award winning co-creator, executive producer, director and writer of the effects drama series Pose. Stephen recently earned three count em three 2021 Emmy Award nominations for Pose's third and final season, and he recently directed his first episode of Love Victor, which is on Hulu now. Prior to all this glamor and drama of Make It Glam, he got his start as a graduate of the prestigious UCLA MFA screenwriting program, which is where he met my co-host, Amy. And I'm actually angry that they're so in love. So now I pledge to steal him from her. Please welcome Steven Canals. My ultra talented new best friend.


Steven Canals Hello, ladies.


Amy Hello.


Grace Hi, Steve.


Amy Nice to have you here. Thank you for coming on the antidote. And, yeah, listeners, he's very impressive. But we aren't here to talk about your many, many, many, many accomplishments. We're here to get deep.


Grace Let's check in with my fellow New Yorker. Amy hates when I talk about New York. Because I talk about it a lot. But I used to live in Harlem. And I have a love for the Bronx. So how are you feeling today? Like the real. For real? Like not small talk. Is there anything weighing on you today?


Steven Canals Oh, that's a big question. Today. Okay. Real talk. So this morning, I. I was very emotional. This morning I was I don't know what was going on with me this morning. I woke up feeling really sad. I was I woke up feeling melancholy, I think partially because we I wrapped directing my episode of Love Victor yesterday and the process of working on this one episode. So I directed I'm directing or directed the third episode of their third season, but it was the first episode in their production cycle. So I'm kind of the person who got them started for the season, and I literally haven't been on a set since Pose wrapped in March and you know, I haven't made anything and and the year has just been kind of a we all know what this year has been like.


Amy Yeah. A nightmare.


Steven Canals Yeah. And so being back on set was so just thrilling and exhilarating.


Amy Yeah.


Steven Canals It is like, truly, I know, like, every creative who's in television has like a different feeling about like what part of the process is their favorite? For sure, I can say with certainty, I love being on set. I love, love, love being on set. I love directing. The truth is, the deep, dark truth is that I do not enjoy writing. It's torture to me. It is not fun. I like to have written. I love to have written. I do not like to write, but I love directing. I just I love being behind the camera. I really, really enjoy working with actors and talking story and character and modulating performances. And so I think I was just really in my feelings about. This experience that really only was like four days of prep and six days of filming being over. It's like, Oh yeah. And now there's that process of having to just sit in the, I suppose, sit in the silence or in the solitude, waiting for that experience happen again.


Amy Yeah, yeah. Because you, like, fall in love with whatever you're directing. And it's almost like this weird breakup. Like a beautiful breakup because there are no hard feelings, but you're like, I fell in love with this to be able to do the work and get deep on everything. And then the morning after, it's like, Oh, that thing I love has left me.


Steven Canals Yeah, yeah.


Grace It's like coming down from a high. Like, it almost feels like it might be like, oh, like when you go on a fabulous vacation and you're happy to be home or whatever, but it's still like you miss all the excitement from that.


Steven Canals Very that.


Amy Yeah. I completely, completely understand that feeling. And, well we're here to help raise your vibration because-


Grace We're gonna raise it.


Amy Yeah. Yeah, we want to. We want to just leave you with good vibes for the evening. So the show is called The Antidote because life is hard, and we all need different antidotes to deal with the bullsh--. So we'd love to know, in your words, what's something non-work related that's bringing you joy this week, this month, this year. Anything that's making you feel a little lighter?


Steven Canals Well, one thing that definitely did it for me today and it was really unexpected is I watched the Oprah Adele interview and then that concert.


Amy I wish I watched it. I was like, please tell me about. Please tell me about it. 


Grace Yes. What was your favorite part?


Steven Canals Well, anytime Oprah is interviewing anybody, I love it. I'm just like Oprah in an interview is like catnip for me.


Amy Yes.


Grace A queen.


Steven Canals Like, she's such a just really great at interviewing people, you know, at so many.


Amy And those moments when she gets surprised and you're like, they surprised Oprah where she's like, oh, my gosh, she's seen it all.


Steven Canals Were you silent or were you silenced?


Amy Silenced.


Grace Or when she leans in, like when she gets closer, you know, she's about to go in and either make somebody cry or like ask a really sharp question.


Steven Canals Yeah, I live. I live for the aha moments. So. So the interview was great. But also just like hearing, like listening to Adele talk about her life and her songs and then her singing was really that was lovely, you know? And I had a really nice day. She has one song that always makes me feel really emotional, and I think because I was already in that place this morning, listening to her sing it live in the concert made me cry. And it was nice to have a catharsis. When we were young. Yes, there's something about I don't know if it's the lyrics in the song or it just there's a I'm listening to it this morning. I think what got me was like there's just a there's a underlying. Sort of sense of regret that it's not that song that makes me think about. Certain people in my life. I'm like, you know, like. Like, I don't ever want to have to feel that way. You know, like, I want to make sure every choice I make now is. Is coming from a place of pure intention. So that when I get to the point where I'm like, I know I'm in like, you know, my third act of my life, I don't look back. I feel like I have to live in a place of regret.


Amy Yeah, I mean, that's what I love about her music. And I feel like so many of her songs, she plays with memory a lot. The song for me that surprisingly makes me cry is the saying goodbye to your new lover or saying hello to your new. What's that one? Da da da da da da.


Steven Canals Mm hmm.


Amy You know.


Steven Canals Yeah.


Amy That song, it's like a happy sounding song. But the way I have wept listening to it. Because it's sort of like the idea of you moving on. Just like in a similar way, I think when we were young, it's about you leaving that past. And, like, there's a ghost of you back there, and there's a ghost of you in the front of you, too, you know, like in that new relationship, you're kind of there, all of that. And like Adele she just has this way of every song feeling so personal.


Steven Canals Yeah. Yeah.


Grace It's like good crying music. Good catharsis music. I mean, my favorite Adele song is the most basic Adele pic.


Amy Hello.


Grace I heard that you- Not a deep cut, but that sh--. Every time it gets me.


Amy When she goes, I've heard, I'm like,.


Grace Okay, all right. You got me girl, you got me.


Steven Canals It's the settling down for me. I heard you settled down.


Grace Yeah.


Amy Yeah. Like, ouch. Okay. You didn't even level up.


Steven Canals You settled down, so.


Grace I know.


Steven Canals How dare you be happy? How dare you?


Grace I know.


Amy Yes. Are there certain songs that you turn to when you're like, I just need to get some feelings out? Is it typically Adele? Are there any other artists that tend to make you go, okay, time for a cry.


Steven Canals You know, to be honest with you, I think, well, my my poor therapist will have a field day because, you know, I have an emotional wall and I don't let myself feel feelings. So.


Amy I love that you named it.


Grace Same. Same thing. Okay.


Amy Obessed that you named it.


Steven Canals It's The New Yorker in us.


Grace Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to be tough there.


Steven Canals You have to. So I'm generally not one for like, to be honest with you, I love music, and it always makes me like drums up. Emotion makes me feel music's not usually the thing that brings tears or catharsis. If I want to cry, I'll go to movies. I don't usually go to music.


Amy Well, I'm curious. Okay, so you said this was your antidote today. Was seeing this interview with Adele and Oprah, the master interviewer and the master voice. I'm curious if there's something, especially we're coming out of the pandemic, even though you know COVID is here forever. Is there something that you have found a surprising thing that has started that has become something that like soothed you during this time or that makes you kind of forget that we're in a full hurricane of American evil at all times?


Steven Canals Well, I think well, yes, for sure. And it's an odd one only because. In many ways, we're still like, once I tell you what it is, you understand it. Like you're being completely confronted by the pandemic in spite of it. But I would say travel.


Amy Yeah. Yes, bitch.


Grace Where have you been?


Steven Canals So this summer, I was invited to France to participate. Yeah, I was a juror for. It's called Series Mania. So it's an international television festival. And it was. You know, to be honest with you, initially, like I wasn't, because I think about a week before I was supposed to leave was when the Delta variant was announced and that was happening and I was like, Oh, I don't know if I should go. And they were like, No, no, we're going to take every precaution. And I was like, But I decided to go anyway. And I'm really glad I went, because in spite of the fact that, you know, everyone was still having to wear masks and, you know, you had to show your vaccination card everywhere. There was something about just being out in the world and not I mean, we were. In 2020 when when we were in the height of it, you know, I was here in L.A. and we were in lockdown. I literally was in my apartment for six months.


Amy Yeah.


Steven Canals Couldn't go anywhere. I'm just here for six full months. And to be out in the world again and like to see people and to just have just a smidgen, just a little bit of normalcy and. Yeah, and and grace, I know you will this will resonate for you, which is being from New York like. Having the ability to walk and use my leg. Yeah. And like, I just, I so missed that, you know, it was just rude and in some weird way a game, even though you had to wear masks and I just sort of forgot about the pandemic, right? It just you. I felt like I was just a normal person again.


Amy Yeah, I completely agree. Grace. Grace and I took a little trip right when the Delta variant was announced here. We went with a friend of ours, Tash, to Sicily for, like, a week. And it was the same thing, like Delta. It was like, Hey, it's out here. Like the day before we were traveling. It was like, Oh.


Grace Yeah, we already spent. And then we, like, treated ourselves for the first time. We like used really like nice like travel agents and stuff like that. So it's like, well, we spent a lot of money already, so we feel, Delta Girl, you're going to have to stay to the side because we're not canceling this trip. So yeah, it was amazing. And then also to be in Italy, they really love Americans and Sicily because remember, everywhere we went there, it's like the Americans are back.


Amy They literally kept saying that they're like Americans: they're back.


Steven Canals I love how you both did that. In pitch and tune and in harmony.


Grace It often happens.


Amy Exactly. Tell us about France. Like, how long were you there and did you get to like travel around or did you just go to the festival and come back?


Steven Canals No. So I was there for three weeks. The first week and a half I was in Lille, which is in the north eastern part of France. And it was beautiful. It was such it was just it was gorgeous. It felt it much more rural, I would say. At least in parts than than than Paris. But it was it was gorgeous. And like, we, you know, they really you know, they know how to host and they rolled out the red carpet.


Amy So I'm going to circle back to this. I'm going to need to get the details of this whole. Yeah, I can do TV in France. I can do that. Yeah. I could judge that. Okay.


Steven Canals We got to get you into that. We got to get you in there.


Amy Exactly.


Steven Canals And then the last week and a half was was spent in Paris, and I'd never been there. So that was also beautiful. And I, you know, I was walking like 25,000 steps a day. And yeah, in spite of the fact that I ate croissants, plural, every single day. I still came back and I lost 6 pounds just walking.


Grace So also, I think our food here is filled with additives because I. I went to a food store in Paris once, and they were saying that, like for the bread and for the croissants, there's literally a law that says you can only use certain ingredients. And we ain't got that law here.


Amy Here, they're like, the more ingredients, the better.


Steven Canals You know what I find by saying that, though? Like, I have a friend who is from New Zealand and when she moved to America, the first thing was she said, I'll never forget, she's like bought a loaf of bread, took one bite through the entire loaf away. I was like this horrible. And she was like, it's, there's so much sugar in the bread. And she was like, It just does. It just doesn't taste like bread. And I was like, Oh. And then you travel internationally and you have their bread and you're like, Oh, I get it.


Amy I remember when I was a kid, I used to think I hated Italian food. I was like, Italian food is terrible because I had only had Olive Garden. And then when I grew up and I went to Italy for the first time and I was like, Oh, I've never had Italian food until today. I was like, Buca di Beppo ain't it? I did not realize that I was not eating Italian food. Oh, yeah, yeah. American food is trash. That sounds like an amazing trip. And I hear what you're saying. Just even, you know, even from Grace and my experiences traveling to the idea that, like you are confronted with the pandemic, to even be able to travel all of the hoops to go through, to like get your test and have all the digital stuff so that you can enter the country. And yet once you're actually there, you just get to be. Keep your mask on and be. It's really beautiful.


Grace Speaking-


Steven Canals Now, go ahead, Grace.


Amy Go.


Grace No. I was just saying, speaking of bees, there were so many in Italy that-.


Amy I was not speaking of bees.


Grace I know, but you said you could just be maybe think of the bees because there was this one be that one morning when we were prosciutto, the bees landed on our prosciutto. Cut a piece. We were we're.


Amy Not kidding, Steven. This thing landed on the prosciutto. And we, we're like, is he doing a dance, what's happening? And then we see him lift a corner up in his little bee legs and we started screaming and.


Grace It was I was just like, I ain't never seen an American bee do that. So I'm just like, you know what? Our food is trash because bees don't even want to touch it.


Amy It was crazy.


Grace It was crazy. Sorry, sorry. I keep doing this, sorry.


Amy That's a great story.


Steven Canals That's a good story.


Amy Well, we have we have one last question for you before we leave you. Obviously, Grace and I both worked on the show Insecure, and it's brought so much happiness to our lives outside of our careers, like pros, obviously brought a lot of professional success into your life as we rattled off at the beginning of this interview. And people ask you about that part of your journey a lot, but we'd love to hear like they ask you about, like what career, how your career started and how you got this, how you got the script made, and how many drafts and how many mean things. We've heard you answer those questions before. On other interviews, however, we'd love to know what are ways that the show has enriched your life and brought you joy outside of your professional career.


Steven Canals Mm. Well, that's a, that's a, that's a big question. The first place that I go to immediately is I think about all of the space that you have to hold for other people, right? Because I think what you were saying about the experience of like us being at the center of of working on content that means a lot to people is great. But I think that like those questions that you just pointed out, like the, you know, tell me about like how long did it take to get made and blah blah blah. Like that tends to come from people who are either based in L.A. or working in the industry. You know, like, like people out in the real world really could give a sh-- about that, like they're not particularly interested in. And, you know, how did you get it made? Like, I don't get that from like, you know, the, the person who lives down the block who just casually watches the show. But I do I find myself more often than not being in the position of receiving a lot of energy from people like a lot of goodwill and having to, again, hold space because there's this thing that happens where if you're deeply connected to work or art that you see and I understand that because I'm that way, you know, like, like I think we all have like. Some actor or director or musician or artist or writer that we love, right? Like, had I had the opportunity to meet, you know, by Toni Morrison, for example, who wrote my favorite book or my favorite novel, beloved, like I would have had that reaction being around her, you know, where I'm just like, Oh my God, you know? So I get that when, when people meet me out in the world and they're like, Oh, you create a pose. Like then suddenly the tenor changes a bit. And it's like, I have to tell you, you know, while watching this episode or watching this show or, you know, the way that it shifted me or changed me. And so I think, to answer your question, having those experiences have. Changed me for the better because I think that it has. Going back to something we were talking about earlier that Grace and I connect on, it's like I think it's forced me to be more in tune with my own feelings, you know, because I think it's hard to be. There was a version of me in my twenties and even I would say in my early thirties where I think I, I really valued being the person who mastered the art of the emotional disconnect. You know, like, I think I spent a lot of my twenties and my thirties being like, Oh, you like Steven is that person that you want to put in the middle of the sh--storm, because I'm not going to fall apart like I'm the person who's going to show up and I'm going to be there and like we can put all that stuff, the emotions to the side, like, like work needs to get done or we need to keep moving forward, which I think is very much in line for like Black and brown people in this country in general that we're just kind of conditioned.


Grace Because we have to. Yeah.


Steven Canals You know, you just have to kind of move. And I and I think I really took that in and so holding space for other people when you know, whether it's, you know, the mom who's telling me watching the show makes me wish that I could reparent my kids because I know that I would be a different kind of mother seeing a character like Blanca or, you know, meeting the 60 year old woman who just came out as trans and acknowledged her, her identity only after watching the show and surviving cancer. You know, like you have moments like that and you're being confronted by people and their lived experience. You have and.


Amy They're so vulnerable.


Steven Canals You know, you have no choice but to just go to that space with them. And so I think in the process, it's like it's forced me to be, again, more open and more, I think, more generous and loving with my emotions, with the people in my life and more honest, but also has taught me to never, ever, ever be in a space where I'm dimming my shine and not just being authentically me.


Amy Wow.


Grace That's beautiful.


Amy So Beautiful. I love that.


Grace I mean. I connect on that to so many levels because I remember I was an assistant and they used to call me Unflappable Grace. Like, they would just throw sh-- at me, and I would just be like, okay. And I might go in the bathroom, cry. But no one ever, ever saw me sweat. And yeah, there was a point in time and something I'm still struggling now at my age is like, you know, letting people, like, dropping that, Oh, I'm okay. You don't have to do anything for me, you don't have to. Yeah. So I really, really connect to that sentiment. And yeah, I mean. Pose did that. Pose taught me a lot about a community that didn't know anything about. So I can only imagine people that are members of that community, like how much it meant to them and having to sort of accept that that praise and hold space for people's emotions. I'm sure that's not easy for folks like us.


Amy Well, guys, we said we'd get deep tonight and we did. But this is such a great conversation, and I feel so much better now that I've talked to you, that now that we've gotten to have this time with you. I feel good.


Grace Yeah, the world is still tough. But this is a this is a gift talking to you tonight.


Amy Yeah. Do you have anything coming up that you want to tell us about? Anything you'd like to plug? It can even be something you just love, not something you created.


Steven Canals Like all the Housewives franchises have been really good this year.


Amy I've been hearing that.


Grace Oh, so. Okay, who's your favorite on Potamac? Who's your-


Steven Canals My favorite on Potomac?


Grace Yeah.


Steven Canals Let me think. This season surprise. And I usually I feel agnostic about her this season. I liked Karen. I actually go.


Grace The grand dame.


Steven Canals The grand dame. I really enjoyed Wendy this season. I was like kind of whatever about her last season, but I liked her this season.


Amy And obviously people can tune into your episode of Love Victor, which we're so excited about. And finally, where can people find you on the Internet?


Steven Canals I am on Instagram and on Twitter at Steven with a V, StevenCanals.


Amy Not these ph's out here.


Steven Canals Not these fff's. Not the fff. I'm like mm.


Amy That ain't nothing but a Stefan.


Grace Thank you so much for being with us tonight. It's truly a pleasure.


Steven Canals Thank you for having me.


Grace So the next segment is our creative tap in.


Amy Let's hear it, Grace.


Amy So this quote is from a woman named Diane Marie Child. Trust that still small voice that says This might work and I'll try it.


Amy Why does this quote make me want to cry? It's so true. Trust that still small voice that says this might work and I'll try it. It literally is making me feel emotional because I got notes today on a script and like, Oh God, I literally I'm going to cry.


Grace Oh, no, Amy.


Amy No. I hate notes. Like, I literally like I'm I process notes so poorly and it's it's just part of my process now. Like, I used to beat myself up for, like, being so hard on myself when I get notes, but it's now I'm just like, embrace it. It's just who you are. I hate getting notes, even when they're good. And literally today I got notes on a project that's really important to me and like and the note was good and I was like, now, like, my body is just like, was this fight or flight? And I'm going to fight. And I literally had a little voice in my head. It was like, Well, that could work, so maybe you should try it. This happened to me and I was like, Oh, I need to try this f---ing note. But then it means that it's creating more work and it is what it is, is the process. And I know sometimes that might not be with the quote talking about the quote could be talking about just like even a new idea, try it as opposed to someone else's idea. But for me, the way I absorbed it today because I am such sh--. With like I'm real bad, I literally can't function. I started crying on the call. I don't know, but it just. It's just who I am. I've decided. It's just who I am. I it's the part of me nobody sees except now, I guess people who listen to this podcast will now know that.


Grace I've seen it.


Amy You're listening to a grade A pussy. So that's what the quote means to me.


Grace Yeah, yeah.


Amy What about you?


Grace What about me? Well, it just reminds me of a well, first of all, it reminds me about the beginning of my career when I would have all these ideas, but I would never write them because I was so scared of failure. Scared of success. So it was like trying to avoid actually doing the work. Yeah. So, you know, the, the, this might work. I'll try it. That attitude is kind of what everyone needs to like do anything creative because if you are going to pre-judge it before it even exists, you'll never do anything creative. And it also makes me think about my life now because I'm moving into new areas and stuff in my career. I'm, you know, running a show now and also thinking about getting back into acting. And, you know, there's all these thinking.


Amy Thinking about getting back in.


Grace I know I'm getting back in.


Amy And you're getting that thing. Yes. Yeah.


Grace So, you know, a part of me still feels shy to even say that out loud or to tell people because, you know, I sort of was just like, oh, I'm not a person that needs attention. I'm just a writer in the back and, you know, that whole thing. But just having the courage to like step out and try it because more than likely it's going to work. So thank you. Diane Marie Childs. It's just a reminder, you know, being creative is mostly about having the courage to try something that you haven't tried before and not be so wrapped up in the results or be so afraid of failing that you don't try it at all because, you know, like Diane Marie Childs says, this might work.


Amy That was beautiful. I love that we both had different interpretations of it too.


Grace I know that's the power of the quotes. Thanks for listening to the antidote. We hope this injected a little bit of joy into your week. I know it did mine. How about you, Amy?


Amy I feel a lot better, girl. We should do this again sometime. Oh, we'll be here next week.


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Grace Goodbye.


Amy And you know what? Keep speaking truth to power.


Grace Amen.


Amy The Antidote is hosted by us Amy Aniobi and Grace Edwards. It's produced by Jenna Hanchard and our associate producer is Taylor Polydore.


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