The Perfect Mashup with Bowen Yang

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The Perfect Mashup with Bowen Yang

In this episode of The Antidote, Amy and Grace connect with actor, comedian and podcaster, Bowen Yang, about Soundcloud music mashups, bad dates in New York and formative romcoms.

Amy and Grace share their bummer news of the week: a nationwide lifeguard shortage and strawberries spreading Hepatitis A. Eww! 

Amy and Grace also share their antidotes for the week, which include reconnecting with their favorite places and people, from Portugal to old friends to bad restaurants from their twenties. 

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Amy The world is a dumpster fire. I'm Amy.

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Amy During these trying times we all need to show that focuses on joy.

Grace This is The Antidote. Hi, everybody. Welcome to another episode of The Antidote. We are so happy to here.

Amy I'm happy to be here, but I'm also like a little, like, bummed we recorded on Saturday mornings and like. June gloom is in full effect. Yeah.

Grace It's really, you know, you're used to the Los Angeles sun and, you know, just during May and June, there's just always like fog in the morning. It's like really makes the city look gray.

Amy It's really odd. It usually burns off around lunch, but it does mean that every morning. And for people who don't know, maybe people outside of California don't know that June gloom is like a thing in the L.A. area. And it's it really just like wake up, you wake up and you feel like you're, like, sleepy and behind, which I always feel. But you feel it like even more during the month of June, because the sky is so gray and you're just like, Why is the sky reflecting my mood?

Grace Oh, that's funny. Like, sometimes I like it because, you know, I'm from the you know, I'm from Michigan and I spent a long time in New York. And so you spend large stretches of the year when it's sort of foggy and cloudy and cool and stuff like that. So it kind of gives me a homey feeling sometimes.

Amy  Oh.

Grace Because sometimes.

Amy I moved here for the weather.

Grace I know. And it's a big selling point to me as well. It's just that every so often it can feel like Groundhog Day in L.A. it's like 75 to 80 or, you know, 70 to 80, sunny, sunny, sunny or whatever, no rain. So sometimes when we get a little bit of variety, I kind of like it.

Amy Oh, okay. All right. I will not be joining you in that field.

Grace All right. Well, you know, we can have the antidote if we don't have something to get an antidote from.

Amy Starting now, up top with our bummer news of the week, y'all. We've pulled through some darkness. Darkness is still happening in the world, but we wanted to have a lighter news week, still heavy news. It's still bummers. This is a little lighter than what we've been through in the last couple of weeks. Yeah. First up is that there is a nationwide lifeguard shortage. Has anyone else heard about this? Basically, the American Lifeguard Association says that they're between 40 to 50% fewer lifeguards at public pools and beaches across the country. And this could impact about a third or even half of the nation's 300,000 pools. And it sounds kind of like who cares? But the problem is like if the fewer lifeguards means fewer people getting saved, which means more drownings.


Grace Yeah, that's not great. You know, lifeguards are so essential. And I just remember that was like a sought after job. Like when I was in high school. Yeah. Like you're like the.


Amy I get to sit at the pool all day.


Grace Yeah. I'll be a lifeguard or I'll go work as ice cream shop or whatever. It's just like, I wonder, I know this sounds very old. I was like, do teens do teens do a job like summer jobs?


Amy No. I do wonder, what are teens summer jobs? Because if it's not lifeguard lifeguarding, to me it was like a coveted job. It's like, oh, you got a body. You get to sit by a pool and every now and then you get to be a hero. Like, it's just like and as someone who was saved by a lifeguard when I was ten, who almost fully drowned in a public pool and then some strapping young man dove in and scooped me out like they feel pretty essential to me.


Grace Yeah. My younger brother almost drowned when I was a kid. I remember that. Somebody must have saved him. I don't remember who, though, because I'm just like, he's. He's under there. I remember some adult pulling him out of the water. So, yeah, it's very, you know, so there would have been no Amy Aniobi. And no my brother.


Amy Exactly. I know, but apparently there's like a bit of a perception problem. It's so funny. The public often sees lifeguarding as a do nothing job where someone just sits in a chair all day with a whistle. But I'm also like, Yeah, it's do nothing til it's do something, you know? And I'm like, as a as a youth, like you're getting paid to sit by a pool. Why is that not cool?


Grace Also, I'm just like, Yeah, they have to do nothing. So they're paying attention. Like, Yeah, well, like you have to. What do you want them to be doing? Like?


Amy Yeah, they're not actually doing nothing. They're watching.


Grace They're watching.


Amy That's what they're doing.


Grace Yeah. So I'm just.


Amy Like an air traffic controller.


Grace Yeah. They got to, they got to be on it. You know, fact it sounds like it's an incredibly hard job, especially the way our attention spans are set up right now, like everybody's on their phone.


Amy And maybe that's why there's a shortage.


Grace We can't pay attention for more than a couple seconds. So someone actually just sitting there looking at the water, making sure everyone's safe. That sounds like tremendously hard.


Amy It makes me sad because I'm like, what a summer without swimming? Like, these little kids won't have anyone to watch them swim. So I'm worried about that. So if you have swimming skills like maybe consider it, you know some it's just starting off June gloom. Home is about to burn away. So, like, maybe consider it become a lifeguard. But that's not all. That's up with the bummer news. There's also one more item that we'd like to discuss, and it also involves the summer, because in the summer you eat strawberries, and strawberries are potentially spreading hepatitis A. Yeah, I know. The FDA is investigating 17 cases of hep A in the U.S.. There are 15 in California and one piece in Minnesota and another in North Dakota, 15 in California. Because California's like the strawberry capitol, at least a dozen people have been hospitalized. And the agency says the strawberries were purchased between March 5th and April 25th. But, you know, so you need to be careful when you're buying your strawberries. If you're looking for strawberries, maybe they've been what's it called, redacted. When they did no recall that it recalled. Yeah, maybe they've been recalled. So you can't get your strawberries. But the thing that I want to say, the symptoms of hepatitis A so that people can be I hope I got it. But symptoms can include yellow skin, her eyes, an upset, stomach, vomiting, stomach pain, fever, dark urine or light colored stools, diarrhea, joint pain and fatigue. So if you're feeling those things and you've recently eaten a red little berry made a straw, you've got to get you to a hospital.


Grace Listen. First of all, I feel like just being the age I am, I have about five of those symptoms right now.


Amy I'm like jaundice? Check.


Grace I was just like fatigue. Check. Joint pain, check.


Amy Diarrhea. Yeah, I'm nervous.


Grace My stomach is always a little bit upset, so. But that's just being older. I mean, this is sad. I just want to know, like, it feels like, oh, this is something that can happen. But you look at a strawberry and you don't know whether it has it or not. Like you can't look at-


Amy You're like, help.


Grace Look at the strawberry and tell. So no, it's going to probably affect people buying strawberries, which is such a delicious summer. Treats like low in calories, low in sugar, but still tasty, you know, full with antioxidants. You know, we don't want to stay away from strawberries, but if there's-


Amy And people people have been freezing them. So the other issue is that the FDA is saying lots of people freeze them to make smoothies later. So they could have botched, in fact, the strawberries and they in their freezer and they're like, I'll pull these out in July and boom, hep A. You know?


Grace But then but then when you go to the grocery store now, like you can't like that sort of thing, you can't tell because it's sort of like, oh, okay, those that was that batch of strawberries. But I bet the reason why they figure it out that the strawberries were tainted in the first place, a bunch of people had to get sick first.


Amy Mm. You're right. And once again, you know what a summer without swimming and what is summer without strawberries? I know everything is coming to get us.


Grace Everything is coming to get us, man, even the simple pleasures.


Amy So hearing all this, how do you feel, Grace?


Grace Oh, I feel like a whole June gloom settle in each of us. So how about you?


Amy Yeah. Feeling a little low? Feeling a little gray.


Grace Okay, let's get into the antidote, then.


Amy So this is the segment where we tell you about the culture we consume, the things we did this week that made us feel better about the bummer news. What was your antidote this week, Grace?


Grace So I have a good friend in New York who is taking a trip to Portugal, to Lisbon, and I decided to go. And, you know, I I've always waxed philosophical about Portugal too many. Yes, I am a Portugal evangelist, you know, outside of the Caribbean, you know, where I'm from. I really love the Caribbean a lot as far as Europe goes. Portugal is my favorite European country that I've been to. I feel like they really are very loving towards Americans and as a Black person, I don't feel the hot burning racism that I do in other places. I don't feel dipped in the cauldron of racism as much as other places I've been. So I'm excited about that. Just thinking, you know, I'm really in the heat of a lot of work stuff right now. You know, I have a lot of projects that are sort of all happening all at once. And the current show that I'm working on, I get a one month break from July to August, but yeah, like a large portion of my work life will be free in July, so I'm so excited. To go back to Portugal, a place that I really enjoy to go. You know, I was just like, well, if I'm going to be all the way over there in Portugal, where I've been more than any other country, frankly, why don't I go someplace I have never been? So I've been doing some research online about which countries are most friendly to black people. And I came across people saying, Belgium is.


Amy I love Belgium.


Grace And then I asked my friend Amy, who lived in Paris for a while, like which places that she traveled to that she enjoyed. And she said she also like Belgium. So yeah, looking forward to beginning to plan a trip to Belgium as well. So what was your antidote this week, Amy?


Amy Well, I actually had a really great date with an old friend this week. So my antidote this week is is kind of like making sure to take time to reconnect with old friends. Like Grace, I've also been really consumed with work this week, and it's all been stuff that I'm super passionate about but just have not quite found balance this week, which I don't enjoy. I like to have balance and I'm looking at my calendar and I'm like, Ooh, balance isn't coming for a while, but I have a friend who lives in Singapore. His name is Matt, one of my closest friends in the entire world, and he was in town this week. And he kind of has a knack unintentionally of coming when I'm insanely busy, it's always like I'm in production and like and this week I was in pre-production and like it's always like the craziest times and he's like, I'm here for three days, but, you know, best friend. And also coming from so far away, I'm there are times where I'm like, I literally cannot see you. And this was a week where I was like, I have to figure out a way to see you because I know it'll make me feel better. And this will be like I wasn't like being like this will be my antidote, but I was like, seeing you always brings me joy because we've been friends for so long and we always do something like, you know, we were roommates in our twenties. So we always do something that's like very 20 of us. So we went to a restaurant. Like it's either like, oh, like pre-pandemic it'd be like, Oh, let's go out and we go and it's like, I don't want to be in WeHo, I'm in, I'm almost 40, so I'm just like, I'm like, I'm not trying to be and we hope, but like for Matt, I'll do it. You know, it's like, ah, oh, let's go. Like to this crazy restaurant that we always wanted to go to and like, ordered a shrimp tower that we never got to order when we were young. And I'm like, Don't eat all this shrimp. But from it I'll do it. And then this was we went back to a restaurant and I won't disparage the restaurant, but we went back to a restaurant that we used to like thirst after in our twenties that was like not expensive food. It was just like really good street food. And I was like, This is going to be so good. And it was it. I like fully like did not feel great afterwards. And like was a little ill for most of the next day. Like not not in a bad way. It was just like bad. It wasn't. The food was not made bad. I didn't get hepatitis A, it was just not healthy food. And the next day I was like, Oh, I feel gross. But I was like, Yeah, but for Matt, I had to eat it.


Grace Well, your stomach is got bougie taste now, your stomach.


Amy I know. I'm too fancy for this sh--, so.


Grace I guess it's like, what is this swill that you're putting in me? Yeah, I'm used to sushi from blue ribbon.


Amy Lol. But yeah. So Matt and I might be having a bottomless mimosa brunch today because again, hashtag live like we're 20. Yeah, I'm just like really I'm always really excited to see. It's so interesting when certain friends reenter or like, come back into your day at a new time, you still kind of revert to how you were when you were younger in the good ways. Like if it's back to the old ways, like where you're gossipy and weird or whatever, I don't like that. But being being able to be like it's a fun day and there's no plans and our plan is just to hang. Like, I never get to do that now. And getting to do that with good friends like that is really healing. So that was my antidote this week.


Grace That's so sweet. By the way, I too, am going to a brunch with an old friend from grad school. Actually, yeah. We're going to have mimosas in different parts of town.


Amy Imma call you drunk around 2 p.m.. Hey, girl. Well, this is so much fun. I'm glad that both of our antidotes are about, like, spending time with familiar people and places, you know, like going to a place you love or start planning to go to a place you love and planning to spend time with a friend with a familiar friend. Again. A connection. Look at that.


Grace Oh, my goodness. It's almost like we are really good friends.


Amy Sounds like we like the same sh--. Um, well, also, I mean, Grace and I have just shared our antidotes, but we also want to know what your antidotes are. Tell us your self-care stories. Head to our website. Antidote show, dawg. Scroll to the bottom and press contact us. Send us a voice note or a video. We would love to see it and we might just play it on a future episode. So that's it, guys. We'll be back with our guest interview after the break.


Grace Okay. Welcome back to the antidote. We have a special guest today. Who is it, Amy?


Amy Well, our guest today is a comedian, actor, podcaster and overall motherf---ing icon. He is the first Chinese-American cast member of Saturday Night Live and co-host of Culture podcast Las Culturistas. Go Subscribe. He next will be seen in Fire Island on Hulu, a buddy comedy written by and also starring comedian Joel Kim Booster, which is a modern take on Pride and Prejudice. He's also set to star in the much anticipated A24 musical f---ing identical twins across from Megan Thee Stallion and her niece. Please welcome. Please welcome one of people, sexiest man alive. Bowen Yang.


Bowen Yang Wow. Oh, I just have to pull behind the curtain for the listener, because Amy is telling me to look out for the word alive as my intro. And I was like, Oh, I wonder what I'm trying to, like, fill in the blank. Like, I wonder what sentence would trail would like to lead into the word alive. I didn't know you were going to pull that on me.


Amy Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Come on.


Grace You should have known like.


Bowen Yang It's humbling. Humbling.


Grace Sexiest man alive will follow you for the rest of your career.


Amy For the rest of your life.


Bowen Yang No, but I just. I just didn't realize that, like, I think this is the thing I have to look out for now, which I did, which I don't know how that makes me feel.


Grace It should make you feel sexy.


Bowen Yang Yeah, yeah. But I, you know, you wake up every day and you do your best, and some days you feel it, and some days you don't. You guys. You guys know. Everyone knows.


Grace Well, let me just say, today you are doing your best.


Bowen Yang Thank you.


Amy And your best is very, very high. I'm just saying. I can feel the sexiness through the Zoom.


Grace I don't know if you guys know, but right now Bowen is rockin some blond up top and I am living. I love it. It looks really good on you. Like it. What was the decision like? Was was that conscious decision like? Did you think about it? Do you normally cut color your hair or because it feels like you don't on SNL? Right. You wear a lot of wigs.


Bowen Yang Yeah, it's wigs. But like, you know, I bleached it like five years ago. I really liked it. It was like this, like, deep blue that washed out into, like, a gunmetal, like a silver, like a dark silver, dark metallic. I really liked it. And then. And then once I started to, like, try and, like, consciously make the decision to, like, try and audition for stuff and book things, I was like, I guess I should do it black just to, just to leave things open ended. And then I kind of got too scared to do it in the future. And then something like there was just something about January 2022 where I was like, Who knows how long I'm going to be on this earth?


Amy This world will be here.


Bowen Yang Or this or this. This world will be here. Yeah, yeah.


Grace You know, climate change is real.


Bowen Yang Climate change is real. So I was just like, let me just do it. And then it kind of also aligned with this f---ing identical twins movie with Meghan. Like, I, I play, I play a role in it where it kind of maybe calls for like a bleached blond moment. And so I went ahead and did it.


Grace Oh.


Amy I'm so excited.


Bowen Yang She's going to be. She's going to be amazing.


Grace Oh, she's going to be amazing. You're going to be amazing. I'm fans of both of you guys and I'm also really super looking forward.


Bowen Yang For the same reason, right?


Amy Yes. Your knees. Yeah. Bowen's knees. Meghan's knees.


Amy Like. Your twerk game, Bowen? I just want you to know your twerk game is on the level.


Bowen Yang Thank you so much.


Amy Yes. Well, this show is called The Antidote, as you know. So we're looking for ways to just, like, calm down from the bullsh--. So I want to know, what's your antidote? Bio in, like, what's something non-work related that's bringing you joy this week or this month?


Bowen Yang I really just love that question so much, and I took me a while to come up with the answer, but I think I was talking to someone who shared with me like a SoundCloud mash up. And then I realized that I have I've had like my SoundCloud algorithm has been like kind of sitting patiently for years now on the sidelines. And like, I went and I went, I went and picked it mine and my account and like, I've just been like given all of these great little remixes and mash ups. So I think like I'm revisiting SoundCloud, remember, like what a moment it was and still kind of is, but like there's like there's like the SoundCloud rapper. It's like, you know, there's like, there's, there's, there's a pocket for it in the culture that's very specific, but it feels like maybe too niche. And I feel like maybe it's like time for everybody to start to reawaken to like SoundCloud or remixes or mash ups. There's this mashup of Anaconda by Nicki Minaj with this Sophie Song immaterial, and it's just like.


Amy Oh, I'm in.


Bowen Yang It fits perfectly. And then you get that. You get like. You know, a Charli xcx thing. You got a Lady Gaga thing you get and you really just runs the gamut. And then there's just like a whole like world to be explored on SoundCloud. So that's my antidote. That's like bringing me joy because it's been it's been a week. And so I feel like, yeah, taking me there, you know.


Amy I'm so glad. I'm so glad it's taking you there. And I also really, really, really used to love mash ups and I fell off from mash ups and now I want to re explore them.


Bowen Yang As a culture. I think we fell off, right? Yeah.


Amy Like, why did we quit mashing up songs?


Grace I have to say that, you know, I feel weird right now because I don't think I ever was into mash ups like you. I don't know, maybe I'm just, like, in that particular generational pocket.


Amy It's not too late, Grace.


Grace It didn't - never, like, experience that, but, like, what? What to you makes a good mash up. Like, is it? Do you like real ratchet stuff? Are you more like into poppy stuff or do you like like when two genres of music kind of kiss each other on the mouth.


Bowen Yang That's I think it's all three all of the above. Yeah. And especially that. So that example I just gave which was Anaconda, which you know, is like Nicki pink print with Sophie, this like groundbreaking, like electric, forward thinking pop artist like those you wouldn't put those things that the same kinds of people like both artists. Yeah but to like put them in the scene, to have them intersect in the same moment is so it's like that's like heaven to me. Amy, do you relate to this? I feel like the mash up moment for me, for someone my age was girl talk. Did you listen to Girl Talk?


Amy 100% was girl talk. I literally, yes. Did you ever go to booty? Have you ever been to like a booty party booty sf or does this ring a bell? So it was a mash up party that used to happen in pop up warehouses in San Francisco and Los Angeles. It's called Booty. I don't know why, but I used to go and it was like literally girl talk hit and it was like, Oh guys, we mashin. We mashin up.


Grace Oh my goodness.


Amy It was so much fun.


Grace so much less cool today.


Bowen Yang So much less cool today.


Grace So yeah, yeah. Just I want to know what booty party is. I want to be into dumb mash ups.


Amy It's not too late.


Grace I'm just jealous. You know what? The only mash ups that I like can really think of right now is like, you know, the Grammys, what it was, it's like, oh, like Janet Jackson is going to perform with Willie Nelson. Sure. Like, yeah, those kind of live mash ups that happen on the VMAs or the Grammys or whatever. Right. That's all that's my relationship with mash up. So that might mean that I'm elderly.


Bowen Yang No.


Amy For me, my favorite mash up is when you don't hear it coming. What's it going to be? And then suddenly you're hear. Ay. It's Rihanna!


Bowen Yang Totally.


Amy And, yeah, maybe they'll come back. Maybe they'll come back. The pandemic ruined all fun.


Bowen Yang The pandemic ruined all fun.


Amy I love that as an antidote. I'm like, I really am going to go deep on SoundCloud.


Grace Oh, my God. Okay, like, I'm going I'm going to ask you just just to send me a list, a playlist, so I can be super cool like you guys. So I am so looking forward to Fire Island thing. So I was wondering, is rom com like a formative genre for you? Is that something that you've always enjoyed? And if so, what is your favorite rom com and why?


Bowen Yang Oh my god. I think. Like what the heart like a hard rom com. Like it's like a tie between Ten Things I Hate About You and like, Clueless.


Grace Yes.


Amy Very good picks.


Bowen Yang And then, like, my Best Friend's Wedding as like the ultimate, like, I don't know, like the ultimate source.


Grace Like when I think of like the ones I love. I love everything from When Harry Met Sally to Love Jones. Yeah, jobs are formative. If you want to talk about formative, formative, Larenz Tate.wherever you are. You were formative for.


Bowen Yang Hard T formative.


Amy Yes. Formative. Formative.


Grace Formative for me.


Bowen Yang There you go. There's just something really I, I love a rom com that, like, leaves you feeling like you're ready to fall in love or that you're ready to, like, be more in love with the person you're with, like, or whatever it is. Like, like, it's hard for it's hard for me to do that. It's hard for anything to do. Yeah. But like yeah. The, that, the songs that do that, the movies that you, that the books that do that like, I think those are the things that like kind of holds a lot of power for me.


Amy I really like that. Especially the idea of for me, I, I tend to prefer the rom coms where they already knew each other at the beginning as opposed to the ones where they meet in the movie and fall in love in the movie. Because I'm like, That's not real. But the one like. Like Harry Met Sally, where it spans all this time, or The Proposal where he was her assistant, or Two Weeks Notice when she was his assistant. I'm always like, they knew each other in a context that put a foundation of love. And it feels more real, I guess, to my Virgo brain. So I really love those types of romcoms. Those are the ones.


Grace I mean, if we're going to talk about the ingredient that I need for a rom com. Yeah, it's a male lead that has f---ing swag. That's why Love Jones is like, the pinnacle for me. Because Little Larenz. Yes, he has swag for years. I, I really love it when, like, I really don't respond as well to, like, the nerdy, weak male lead. You know, I really like the one. I mean, this is probably why I'm single and addicted to toxic, toxic masculinity, but.


Bowen Yang Same, same.


Grace But I do love it when, you know, the men are just like, just swoon, just like swag. I love that.


Bowen Yang Because it's hard to come across in real life.


Amy Yeah. And also when that happens, you're getting dick-matized. If you're getting swept off your feet in real life, he's also going to sweep away your car and you're credit.


Bowen Yang Oh, my God.


Grace Well, I mean, in real life, like, swag often equates to f--- boy energy. So I get that. So I saw on your Wikipedia page that you were born in Australia. Yeah, we're, we're. How long were you there and do you ever feel any sense of Australian identity or do you feel like fully like American?


Bowen Yang I mean I think when I was younger like when I had like fewer years under my belts or whatever, like it, like the split between the places I lived. I mean I was only in Australia for six months after I was born.


Grace Oh, okay. So it's kind of like me because I'm an immigrant as well. But I'm. Huh. I was born in Guyana, but I only I came over when I was 15 months, so I don't have any real-


Bowen Yang So like, but it's but then, but like I did visit like five years ago and I was with my parents and they were like and my mom turns to me and said like, look around. Like you drank. Like your first breaths were here. The first sips of water you had were here. The first food you ate was from here. Like that. Like, you know, the things that made your body like built up are like from this place. Like, there's some connection and it's like, oh, wow. I was like, the first time I felt connected to this. I'm like, I feel like you can, you can say the same for Guyana, Grace.


Grace 1,000%. You still feel like a connection to it on like a soul level, although yeah, not on a like memories level, you know.


Bowen Yang Yeah, it's like the same for me. Like I feel more connected to like China maybe, which I never technically lived in, but I visited and like, but yeah, I mean, like now, like as time goes on, like anytime someone tells me I'm Australian, I'm like, Oh, do I tell them? And it's probably not worth mentioning because. Because we have nowhere to go. Like, you know, like I have nothing to like point to be like, oh, I grew up with this and this and that. Like, yeah, I've barely eaten Vegemite my life. Like, yeah, none of that.


Grace You've never said good day. You just. Never.


Bowen Yang I've never say good day. Yeah, never done it.


Amy Yeah, yeah.


Bowen Yang My, my, my accent is when I try to do the accents like it comes out bad. So I'm like, this isn't maybe I can identify with this too much.


Amy I mean, like so much of your personality and where you are now, like, so, I mean, you live in New York now, so and you're there so much of the year, especially because of SNL. I'm curious if there's a best or worst date you've ever been on in New York or anywhere. Actually, why am I limiting the city?


Bowen Yang Well, the worst date was, it took place in New York. Australia? At 6 months old? Baby date.


Amy Yeah. That sounds adorable.


Grace A play date that just went left.


Bowen Yang Play date. Yeah. I wish, I wish I could remember. I wish I could forget those. No, I am that the worst that I've ever been on, like hands down was in New York, but it was with this guy who I had, like, met like the day after Hurricane Sandy. Like,.


Amy Oh, no, like the timing.


Grace Not a great time.


Amy We survived an apocalypse.


Bowen Yang Sorry, we're surviving apocalypse. But but that wasn't the bad date. Like, that was actually a solid first date where we just took a walk and it was lovely. Um, his name. His name was.


Amy First and last with SSN, please.


Bowen Yang Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was. Oh, gosh, it's all coming back to me now. It was his name was like his name was Shawn finally the second date. And he basically wanted to take me to a horror movie.


Amy No.


Grace Okay.


Bowen Yang After I. I think I mentioned to him that I don't love horror as the genre, especially on a date like, yeah, it's like.


Grace Already not getting attention to your needs.


Bowen Yang Exactly. Exactly. Already not paying attention to my needs. And then. The movie was not good. I forgot. I forgot what movie it was, but it's not a great movie. And then 20 minutes and he's just like, We should go. We should go. I think he. I think he felt anxiety about, like, making the wrong decision.


Grace Mm hmm.


Bowen Yang Whatever. Makes sense, Shawn. And then afterwards, he's like, Sorry about that. I was like, No worries. And then he confessed to his name. Not being Shawn. No, but being something else. Because he was just too afraid. He's just like he just. I think he just had some hangups about online dating. He just didn't want to reveal too much about, like, his real identity, his name. I'm like, I get where he's coming from. But it did just like, kill the mood on top of killing the mood.


Amy This is the horror movie. Yeah, it's like he peels off his face. I'm actually the end.


Bowen Yang I know I. I forgot what his real name was. I think, like, I'm just really like, I haven't talked about this in a while, but that was like, for sure the worst day. But like it was in Union Square. Like we didn't really have oh, not really. No. Anywhere else to go. Like even though like it was like a weeknight, like it was just a lot of things misaligned I think. Yeah, but that was, that was it.


Grace I actually had a guy that I went out with. I was so excited about it. Like, I was like, he's tall. He's like, he's like cute black guy. He says he's a psychologist, so I could get free therapy. Yeah. And then I. Then I met him in person, and he's just like, okay, I got something to tell you. I'm like, What are those things? And he's just like, Okay, so I do live with my parents. So that part about me having my own place was not true.


Amy That's ok. Some people are.


Grace I am not a psychologist, I have started taking an online community college course in psychology. So I was like.


Amy I can see some name it and claim it. Like maybe he's just very ambitious and was like, I know I'm going to get there.


Grace But I feel like I need you to tell me where you at right now. You know, if I if I'm working with potential, like let me know. I'm working with potential. Don't be coming at me where I think I would get a glow up.


Bowen Yang Wow.


Amy I want to know iff you're Barry or Barack, and that's fine if you Barry.


Grace Exactly if you Barry. You are.


Amy But if you Shawn, get out of here.


Grace I can get you to Barack. You know what I'm saying?


Amy Last question for you. I'm curious what it's been like to work with your best friends. Like you have a podcast with Matt Rogers, now this movie with Joel Kim Booster. And obviously Grace and I are besties and we work together. I want to hear how it's been. Is it complementary skills? How does it feel?


Bowen Yang It's I feel like I just I really lucked out. And I hope you guys feel the same way. Like and especially with, you know, and in our podcast, it's like, you know, we kind of we kind of kept it loose. And I think that's the reason why we've done it for so long, because we didn't, like, put too much structure on it. We were just kind of like, yeah, made a loose enough container so that any time we felt, even if we didn't feel like, like up to it, up to like turning ourselves on and like, you know, shooting the breeze and like being on the mic, doing a podcast together, it still felt like it was building towards something. And like, you know, I really I wouldn't have done it for so long if it wasn't for the fact that I was with people that I loved. And the I mean that the movie the for the Fire Island movie, I really I if I think too too much about it, I really start to get so emotional just that it's crazy. Like, I'm I get to be in this movie with my best friends, two of my best friends about this experience that like Joel and I have had for many years. And it's being like kind of, you know, dramatized based on like a Jane Austen novel into this movie. I mean, like, you know, the fact that like he that are both that like so many stars had to align for us to both be at the place where we could, you know, make this together, do it together is is really special because it's like it's like you're ten, you're on tandem bikes, but the bikes are separated. You now that you're on like two unicycles and you're, you're trying to like, make it seem like it's a tandem bicycle, right. As you shoot it. So, like, that's that's kind of the joy of it is that like, you know, two people who might be on this on different tracks, like whenever you can find that the chances to like meet me in the same meet on the same trajectory is like that's really special. And like being like a self-made person, I think in any industry is kind of a myth. Like, I know that's totally true. I think, I think, I think the other people to like really be part of your support system. And I feel like I'm very outwardly publicly about that. I'm like, I don't do I don't really do things alone. I do that. I love doing things with other people. I like having fun collaborators and like, yeah, it's how I've gotten this far. So that's why.


Grace I love that. And I'm definitely one of your readers, by the way.


Bowen Yang Oh. Thanks. Thanks, Grace.


Grace And yeah, thank you so much for saying that. I mean, me and Amy have had so much fun so far. And, you know, we hope to someday be as successful as Las Culturistas. 


Bowen Yang It's just about, you know, continuing to do it. I think you guys should just like, really just do it for for as long as you both want, you know, it's because I because for a second I was getting a little tired. There's one particular time last year where I was feeling really burnt out and I was telling Matt, like, our contract was about to renew, and I was like, I don't know, like maybe we, maybe we just put a cap on it. Like we just do one or two more years. And he was like, Well, it doesn't feel like work to me because we're hanging out like it's like, you're my friend. Like, you know, it's, it's it shouldn't feel like, too draining. I'm sorry. If it is, then like, let me know. And, and, and we'll we'll work through it. But where I'm coming from is that it's not it shouldn't feel like it's work. And so I feel like, yeah, I feel like that's something that you guys can definitely, definitely, definitely just like take all the way.


Amy Wow. I feel so much better now that we've talked to you.


Grace Oh, yes. Thank you so much for coming on. You know, so world is still a dumpster fire, but it feels a little bit better after talking to you.


Bowen Yang Same. I can. I can say the same.


Grace So where can people find you on the internet?


Bowen Yang Oh, I think I'm just on Instagram at the moment. It's at FayeDunaway.


Grace Love it. Icon, met Icon.


Bowen Yang There you go.


Amy Yes. Thank you so much, Bowen. 


Grace Yes. Thank you for being here, Bowen. Okay to close us out. We're doing our creative tap in, which is our segment about creativity. Amy, are you ready for this week's quote?


Amy Yeah, girl.


Grace Let's go. Okay. Vulnerability is the birthplace of innovation, creativity and change. And that is by Brené Brown. Of course, I'll say it one more time. Vulnerability is the birthplace of innovation, creativity and change. Brené Brown.


Amy Brene Brown. I love her. I love her. I've read four of her, I think four or five of her books now. She like primarily studies shame, which is like a dark topic, like, no, who wants to talk about their shame? But it it goes deeper than that. It's not just like what makes you embarrassed or what are the things that have happened to you that make you feel shame? But it's about how to cultivate play and how to tap back into who you are and how to open up and be creatively open and thus like open in all ways, like professionally, romantically, familiarly open. And this quote is beautiful because I think vulnerability is something that's really hard for adults to practice like as children were vulnerable all the time. We're like, I got to poop, Mommy. It's like, I start my time. I'm crying. It's like, I'm so hungry. You like, don't wait to throw up. You throw up through your fingers and you're just like, Sorry, I don't know what to tell you. And I'm like, adults. We have we don't have vulnerability. We don't say what's on our mind. We're worried about how we're going to be perceived, how people will think about us. And this quote to me is just true. Like, I think vulnerability is where creativity comes from, where change comes from. I don't remember the other words, but all the things she listed.


Grace Innovation was the other.


Amy Innovation. It comes from being vulnerable enough to fail, vulnerable enough to say your first thought, like I love in the writers room and we're like bad pitch and we say something or it's like, it's not this, but something like this, or it's like we're saying, we're putting a blanket on before we say our off the cuff thought, but having that vulnerability to say something will ping pong off of somebody else's idea and become something great. And that's where innovation happens. That's where creativity happens. So Queen Brené Brown, you right, what does it make you think?


Grace Yes, she is right. She is a gift to this world. What it made me think is there was a time that I was writing from my head in that my heart. Mhm. So I, that's know I had to learn how to be vulnerable in my work for it to truly number one be satisfying to me. And I think my work got better once I was able to tap into that vulnerability. So, you know, when you're first writing like it's normal for everyone to sort of imitate what they've already seen. So, you know, you might have somebody you than you might like be a big like I was a huge Charlie Kaufman fan, etc. Started to talk about, you know, yeah, he's a big, big, big Charlie Kaufman fan. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Being John Malkovich.


Amy Adaptation. Being John Malkovich. I built a tiny floor where ye in your cursed kind can live.


Grace Exactly. So I love me some. And then also, you know, I started off as an assistant. I worked at Inside Amy Schumer, I worked at Broad City, wonderful shows, all of them. But, you know, so what I was doing when I was first starting writing, I was like, Oh, these people are successful. I love their work. So let me see, like what I can do to like make it like theirs or whatever, which was a-


Amy Make your work like theirs.


Grace Yeah. Yeah. So I was just like trying to like the first screenplay I wrote. I remember I was trying to do a Charlie Kaufman esque thing then when I got to screenwriting class or whatever. Hi, Andy Bean, and thank you for this thing that you told me back in the day. Andy Bean and was my screenwriting professor, but I everybody was laughing really loud at my scripts and I was just like, I felt, I am supposed to be Charlie Kaufman. It's supposed to be deep. It's supposed to be witty, it's not supposed to be funny. So I was like mad, especially at that point. I had not come to terms with the fact that I was a comedy writer, yet I wanted to be like a dramedy writer, kind of. And so when I spoke to Andy about this, he was just like, Let your writing be what it is. Let it come out of you instead of trying to make it something it's not. But it took me a long time to realize that. It took me a long time to put parts of myself that I am afraid of, parts of myself that I am ashamed of, parts of myself that I am still working through and questioning at in my characters as a writer. Like, I'm about to turn in a pilot pretty soon and it is the most vulnerable. It is the most me I have ever put in anything. And it feels so good. Who knows if it's good or not? I mean, but it feels good to me. So I think that you kind of have to start from that place, because that is the only way that you're able to access your authentic voice is to be vulnerable and allow yourself to put yourself in your work in a and show up in a way that could be like, Oh my God. Sometimes I'm like, Oh, well, people read this pilot and know that this is how I feel. And I was like, Yeah, girl, you wrote it so they will know. So but I can now I've gotten to the point where I can be vulnerable enough, where I'd be like, I don't care. Like, this is what makes this me. This is what makes this a grace. Edwards joint, you know, versus imitating.


Amy A Grace Edwars joint.


Grace I was doing is that of imitating people that I admire and whose work is is still formative to me in many ways. But I can I can make it me now. And I'm at the point in my career now when where me is going to be put out into the marketplace pretty soon with, you know, my project, Jody, that should be coming out next year and with this hopefully this pilot. And as a result, I'm just like, I'm going to get ready.


Amy For this podcast.


Grace Yeah. This podcast we're putting out here, yeah, this is us putting ourselves out in the world and it feels vulnerable, but it also feels amazing. So yeah, that's what this quote means to me is just have the courage to have the vulnerability, to put yourself in the work that you're putting out there in the world. Good or bad, you have to sort of do it. Otherwise it is not your voice, it's someone else's speaking through your mouth. Love that. Okay. Thanks for listening to the antidote. We hope this injected a little bit of joy into your week. I know it did mine. How about you, Amy?


Amy I feel good, girl. We should do this again sometime. Oh, we'll be here next week.


Grace And in the meantime, if you'd like to follow us on social, follow me. Grace. At Gracyact. That's G-R-A-C-Y-A-C-T.


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Grace That's thee with two E's.


Amy If you like feeling good about yourself, please subscribe and rate us five stars at Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Goodbye and go hang out with one of your best friend. The Antidote is hosted by us Amy Aniobi and Grace Edwards. It's produced by Jenna Hanchard and our associate producer is Taylor Polydore.


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Amy Ciao, baby.