Coffee in Cars with Sierra Teller Ornelas

Guest Sierra Teller Ornelas on The Antidote

Coffee in Cars with Sierra Teller Ornelas

In this episode of The Antidote, Amy and Grace connect with showrunner and writer Sierra Teller Ornelas (“Rutherford Falls,” “Brooklyn Nine-Nine,” “Happy Endings”) about choosing power pieces, bathtub luxuries, and big Cathy energy.

Amy and Grace share their bummer news of the week: baseball players who decline to wear Pride-themed jerseys and people on the internet criticizing Cardi B for putting her own singles on her album. Huh? Don’t come for her.  

Amy and Grace also share their antidotes for the week, which include buying a pink blazer and finding a sexy rooftop to hang with friends. 

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Amy The world is a dumpster fire. I'm Amy.

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Amy During these trying times, we all need a show that focuses on joy.

Grace This is The Antidote. Hi everyone and welcome. Another week, another Wednesday, another us.

Amy Another us. That already makes my week feel nicer.

Grace So Amy, I, you know, I talked last week about that. You know, my antidote was that, oh, I'm going on a trip that well, I plan my trip. I have done all my hotels, I've done all my flights. I'm so excited why I am buying impractical things for my trip. I'm going to.

Amy I understand.

Grace A new little bag, cross-body bag for when I'm traveling. So, I mean I'm excited.

Amy You need some cute little outfits for the gram.

Grace Yeah, like cute little outfits for the gram or just for me. You know, sometimes it's just nice to, like, be dressed up in a new place and look at new boys and all that.

Amy Yes to looking at new boys. Let's talk more about that.

Grace I know, no. 100%. But, you know, there is something, you know, I'm sure when they come here, they think we're exotic. So when we go over there, they're kind of exotic to us.

Amy Do they? Uh.  I would like to believe that I feel like they come to America and they're like, oh gross, let me slum it for a bit, this whole country is ghetto.

Grace Okay. Well, Amy, we can't have the antidote if we don't have something to have an antidote from.

Amy You're not wrong. So now we're starting up top with our bummer news of the week. First up, you know, it's June. The month of Coca-Cola Presents Pride which means that. Or, you know Barclays Bank.


Grace I could get rainbow cookies.


Amy Yeah Subway sandwiches presents pride but really it is pride month. And so obviously, as you know, a lot of corporations go off and like say like, oh, we're really pro LGBTQ+ for, you know, the next 30 days. And our first bummer news is really that there have been five players on the Tampa Bay Rays that opted out of wearing LGBTQ+ pride themed uniforms during the team's annual Pride Night event. Five of them, they're all pitchers. I don't know what that says about pitchers, but they declined to wear the pride themed jerseys, citing religious beliefs. And in fact, one of the players, Jason Adams, said, quote, A lot of it comes down to faith, to,like a faith based decision. So it's a hard decision because ultimately we all said what we want is them to know that all are welcome and loved here, end quote. So is it a hard decision if what you want is for everyone to be welcome and loved here? Jason? Yeah. You've been contradicting yourself since that first sentence.


Grace Exactly. So wearing the pride decal is saying that you guys are welcome and loved that part and then also like to go to the extreme of like peeling off things off your jersey.


Amy And also I think what's nuts about it is like some commentators have even been like they've rallied against the team for being too political or quote unquote woke. And some said we're no longer going to attend games. And while others were, of course, applauding the Rays for promoting inclusivity. And I always find it funny when people who are like season ticket holders are like, we're going to boycott the games. And it's like, they already got your money. Okay, so you won't be there. Someone else will.


Grace Yeah.


Amy But it's like what. And why is it political or woke to put a rainbow on your shirt? I'm like, I'm sorry, but you can't like I mean, it's a conversation. It's an argument that's too old and frankly, like, dumb to continue to have with people who just do not see other people's humanity. It's similar to what Black people go through. It's similar to what Asian people go through, where it's like, if you are refusing to see my humanity, I don't know where to begin talking to you. That's what it feels like. Yeah. So I'm like, cancel the Rays or cancel these five pictures. Cancel baseball.


Grace I'm a writer and I like words. I mean the correct things to me, political means, stuff related to a political party, somebody whose identity as an LGBT queer person. To me that is not political. To me, that is an identity that has been under attack. So I just also really hate the use of any time you're saying like, oh, Black people and gay people. And transpeople should have the same rights as a straight, white, cisgender people. Everyone's like, Don't be political as like nothing about that is political. And and identity being a thing is not political. So your argument that, oh, it's getting too political, that doesn't even - math? Make it make sense.


Amy Yea, speak on that. Speak on that.


Grace You know, so, you know, affirming people's identities and making everyone feel welcome is not a political act. It's a human act.


Amy Yes.


Grace It's a kind act. It's a American act. Because this country was supposedly founded on the principles that everybody could be welcome here on religious freedom. Obviously, we know that our country didn't start out that way because people like me and Amy started out in chains. But, you know, if you're talking about the ideals, the the highest ideals of America, it's supposed to be for everyone. So that is not political. That is just humane to me.


Amy Yeah, you're absolutely right. And thank you for speaking on that, sis. I just got a whole word, but that's not the only bummer news we have this week. Next up, have you been hearing that people are calling Cardi B out for using her singles in her upcoming album?


Grace Yeah. It made me feel old.


Amy So people are coming at Cardi saying she is trying to boost the numbers on her album by using the single's Up and WAP on her sophomore album. There are folks on both sides of the debate in support and against. Of course, Cardi heckled her haters by tweeting lmao. Imagine me not putting my own records on my album and I'm really annoyed by this because I'm like, since the beginning of time, since the beginning of allbums.


Grace I know.


Amy Don't singles go on albums?


Grace I admit it made me feel old. I was like, I feel like this must be coming from like the youth, you know, that don't remember when you used to get a single on the radio first and then you would get the music video on MTV or VH1, and then you had to wait for a while, and then you were psyched to have the single on the album because you liked the song. And before streaming, you couldn't just listen to whatever saw whenever, like you would get the CD and you would be happy that the songs on the CD because you've been hearing it and you wanted to have it in your house. So this made me feel mad old because I was just like these children. They expect fresh music, every single song to be fresh on an album. I was like, That's not something that I was brought up to expect.


Amy Yeah, you're absolutely right, Grace. I mean, there was one fan who waded into the debate and they said, quote, I don't see anything wrong with it. The sophomore album was always supposed to be WAP and Up's home. Then she got pregnant and things got delayed. The songs are part of the work and not just random songs thrown on an album. And I'm like, end quote. Sorry, I meant to end that quote, but I'm over here like I listen to DJ Khalid's last album, and it's like all singles.


Grace Yeah.


Amy Why are we mad at Cardi for doing what other artists do?


Grace I feel like a lot of people just want to be mad.


Amy Also, why would it boost sales? We already have the singles, so if you're buying the album, you're not buying it for those singles because you already own those single. So I'm confused again.


Grace Also, who buys albums anymore? Like you usually have like Apple Music or Spotify and your streaming stuff, you know, that feels like that's the most annoying, you know? So I'm just kind of like, what are you so you got some extra songs you wanted more. Extra songs like what? I don't really get it. So maybe Grandma Grace needs somebody to explain to her why people would be upset. But I genuinely was perplexed by this because this is how music has been released my entire life.


Amy Yeah. It also feels like weirdly anti mommy, like, because it took a long time for her album to come out, but she was like making humans. So I'm just kind of like, Y'all, are you y'all just mad that the album took a while to come out? Maybe remember that she's a mom and she had a lot of other work to do.


Grace Yeah. Even if if it. If she wasn't, I was just like, get off her neck. Let women do whatever they want. I was just like, you know who I stan right now? F---ing Rihanna. I stan her every day because we ask for music all the time and she won't give us sh--. And now she's got that baby, you know, she really won't give a sh--. So you know.


Amy Exactly. She's like I'm moving back to Barbados.


Grace We are not owed.


Amy In my Fendi mansion.


Grace Yeah. We are not owed anything by these artists. If Cardi decides, sit down for the rest of her life and say, You know what? I made all my money. I'm not going to make not one other bit of music or whatever. That would be her right. She could do whatever she wants with her life.


Amy You're absolutely right. And I literally really expected Rihanna. I was like, well, she troll us and name her baby Album and be like, There's the album you asked for. Like, I just wanted her to do something that's like, her baby's middle name is single. I guess I was like, We don't deserve nothing from that queen. She's like, I gave you looks. I reinvented the Met Gala.


Grace Rihanna's not a comedy writer, but, yeah, a comedy writer would do some bullsh-- like that.  I named my baby album, so y'all shut the f--- up now.


Amy I got an album for the next 18 years. Well, ordinarily, after the bummer news, we really feel like sh--. But in supporting Cardi and Rihanna, I actually don't feel that terrible. I feel kind of okay, but the world still sucks. So.


Grace So let's get into the antidote.


Amy So this is the segment where we tell you about the culture we consumed and things we did this week that made us feel better about the bummer news and the world. What was your antidote this week, Grace?


Grace So honestly, everyone, I will be very honest right here. This was a week I mean it was a week. As far as work stuff, so I didn't get to do very much self-care, but I did buy something that arrived this week and it really made me smile. So I got a blazer.


Amy What? Like a jacket? Like for business ladies? Like you work at a bank?


Grace I know it sounds very boring. Yeah, I did. So I have a friend that's very fashion. Fashionable, you know. And so she told me a while back, you know, I was into a lot of, you know, designer bags in 2021, and I've sort of got a collection now. So I've slowed down to stopped on that. But I was just like, oh, you know, I would love to have like some really nice pieces so that when I go out or, you know, if I have an event, I can just like throw out, throw it together out there real quick and feel like cute. And so the advice she gave me was, get a really nice blazer. Hmm. And I was just like a blazer. I'm. I don't do that.


Amy That's where I'm at. I'm like, blazer?


Grace I thought about it. So my whole life has been about rebelling against the blazer.


Amy Wait, your whole life?That's why you became a TV writer. You're like, I will never have to wear a blazer.


Grace Exactly.


Amy Please explain how your whole life has been about rebelling against blazers.


Grace I will explain. So, you know, I'm from immigrant parents. They wanted me to be a lawyer. They wanted me to be something in the professional world. My dad want me to be a professor. So, you know, that whole like you have to dress a certain way to be at work thing. You know, I've been rebelling against that my whole life. That's why I started out as an actor. And, you know, now I'm a writer where you don't have to wear you can wear sweatpants to work, and it doesn't matter. So. So I was just like, oh, so I guess I had sort of like a thing against blazers because I'm just like, that's the uniform of a man.


Amy Oh, I was going to say I'm laughing because I definitely felt the same way, but I conformed like my first assistant job. I showed up in a suit and my boss was definitely wearing jeans. And was like, What?


Grace That is so cute.


Amy I did it for like four days.


Grace Baby Amy showed up to the writers room.


Amy I was like Mom and Dad, ain't nobody dressing like this. I got to change my clothes.


Grace That's hilarious. Yeah. So I like. I just like, blazers. That's not for the creatives like me. And so. But then, like, I began to actually look around, and I was just like, oh, a lot of these these blazers being styled in such a cute way, like over a little sun dress. And so I was just like, Oh, okay, so maybe I can I can get a blazer, but like, in a way that I would enjoy wearing it. So I did some research and I found this really pretty like blush rose blazer from Frankie Sharpe that is oversize and I love it. It's gorgeous. I can't wait to bring it on my vacation because Amsterdam is a little cool still in the summer, so I can't wait to bring it on my vacation to Amsterdam and like rock it over some cute little dresses that night and even the other night. And I went to dinner with my friend from film school and it got a little chilly at night and I had my little regular jacket on, but I was like, you know, this would have been a moment for that blazer. So I'm just, like, excited to incorporate this blazer into my wardrobe in a fun way.


Amy You won me over when you said it was soft pink. Because in my head I'm just thinking, like, hard shoulders, black, three buttons. And I'm just like. And I was like, what. But you're right. A blazer can be feminine. It can be whimsical. I remember seeing his family had a gold blazer on, like with. Yeah. I was like, that's cool. Okay. All right. I understand this antidote. I do.


Grace And just to say, like, if you do have a job that wears a blazer, I don't I didn't mean to insult you.


Amy She's mad about it.


Grace I didn't mean to insult you. It's ust like, you know, me and myself or whatever. I 'm sure people that there are very cool ladies, like in suits, you know, with jobs all over.


Amy First I was going to say if anyone has a job where you do rock a blazer to work. I mean, come on, tag us. Like let us know how to rock a blazer. Ways that it can be cute. Ways that it can look good. Ways that it's not what we would expect. Because in our industry, people don't wear suits. But I have seen women in some nice suits before, so and man, ooh, I love men's fashion. So if you have rocked a blazer in a way that we should see, just tag us on Instagram and let us know.


Grace Okay, Amy, what is your antidote this week?


Amy My antidote this week is roof tops. And by that I mean, yeah, just like a rooftop moment. Some of our listeners might know that I went to UCLA for grad school, for film and television. It was so wonderful. And I was honored this week to speak at the UCLA 2022 commencement ceremony as the distinguished alumni.


Grace Yeah. We love this.


Amy I want to distinguish alumni award and got to give a little speech. The other commencement speaker was Troy Kotsur, who won the Oscar this year for the movie Coda. And so it was really awesome to get to speak and get get this award and get to try and inspire some youths.


Grace I'm sure you inspired the youths.


Amy Thank you, Grace. Thank you. And afterwards, five of my friends who came to see me speak took me out for a drink, and we went on a rooftop and we I had not like I love like, oh, I love a rooftop. It's something I love about New York. Like, New York has a lot of rooftop bars. So does L.A. And people sometimes don't think about L.A. as a rooftop location, but they out here and there are some places to get a nice drink and a view. And we happened to we went a little bougie. We didn't know where to go and we didn't go bougie on purpose. We were just like, What's a rooftop near UCLA? And I saw a rooftop by J.G. in Beverly Hills, and I was like, What's that? I don't know. Let's go there. It had five stars, and I was like, Let's go. It was at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel. Well, we got up there. And not only did we look amazing because of course, but also it was 360 views. And I was like, it was an accidental antidote. It like the breeze on a rooftop when it hits you just the vibe is right. And like we were just having a cocktail while it's still sun out. And I was like, I love a rooftop and now I just want to become your blazer, bitch. I want to come a rooftop bitch. I'm like, this summer, I'm going to be hitting up a rooftop a week because I'm like. There's something about that.


Grace I'm down.


Amy Breeze up there. And being a little above the mess, the chaos, damp streets, that makes me feel at ease.


Grace Yeah, I mean, that that's the thing that people don't remember about L.A.. You can get some incredible views because, like, we have all these hills and mountains and and, you know, and all the palm trees and especially at night, it can be really, really pretty.


Amy So our antidotes this week didn't like kind of like converge how they usually do, you know, like how we're usually so similar like on the same grind. But I will say that, you know, a great place to wear a pink blazer. On a rooftop.


Grace Okay I love that.


Amy We got to do it.


Grace We see how that writer vibe be working.


Amy Yeah. Yeah, I love making. There's always a connection between our antidotes. So the next time I'm heading to a rooftop, I'm bringing my girl and she's rocking out with her blazer.


Grace I'm rocking that blazer.


Amy Also, we want to know what your antidotes are. Don't forget. Please tell us your self-care stories. Head to our website Scroll to the bottom and press contact us. Also, you can send us a voice note or a video. Doesn't have to be an email. We might just play it on a future episode. We'll be back right after this break.


Grace Well, welcome back to the Antidote. We have a very special guest today. Who is it, Amy?


Amy Our guest today is a showrunner, writer and Queen Weaver. That's right. She leaves, not hair, but fabric. This Navajo Mexican American goddess hails from Tucson, Arizona, and she advocates for more women of color in writers rooms every day. You can catch the second season of her show, Rutherford Falls, a comedy starring Ed Helms and Jana Schmieding on Peacock right now. Please welcome Sierra Teller Ornelas.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Thank you. Before I start it's (speaking Indigenous language). My name is Sierra Teller Ornelas. I'm a member of the Navajo Nation. I am Edgewater Clan, born for the Mexican clan. Traditionally, when we speak in front of large groups, we start by first introducing ourselves and our clan. Thank you so much for having me here today. I am so excited. This is like one of my favorite podcasts. So this is like so cool. Thank you.


Amy Oh my God, you're one of our favorite people. So I'm stoked to hear that. Fans interviewing fans.


Grace Yes, we're staning each other today. So she is very impressive, Amy, but we are not here to talk about her many, many, many, many accomplishments. We are here to get deep.


Amy That's right. So let's check in first. How are you feeling today, Sierra? Like for real, not small talk. Is there anything that's weighing on you? Anything bringing you up, down?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas I'm goodish. I'm like excited to be. I'm at ATX Festival right now, which is like a television festival. I'm kind of riding high. We did a couple of panels today and I got to premiere my show, Rutherford Falls yesterday, the season two premiere, and it was really cool. I haven't been in a movie theater because like we the show both seasons were made during the pandemic and I took really COVID stuff really seriously and I had a lot of family members who were heavily impacted by COVID. And so I had been in the movie theater and to go and like just like sit and drink a Diet Coke and watch people watch our show and laugh at the right moments and like really enjoy. It was just like it was so joyous. And so I was I had a lot of anxiety about coming here, and I'm feeling really good. I'm missing my son's carnival. We worked all year to raise money to raise carnival. And so I got to face time him. And he's like eating a Ninja Turtle ice cream and like, having the best day of his life. And I had to just sort of watch. So it's a little bittersweet, but he's clearly unaffected. He's like on so much serotonin from the sugar and the bouncehouse. So it's good. It's all good. It's mostly good.


Grace And someday he'll be able to be like, My mommy's is like a bad ass showrunner, so, you know, that's great.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Yeah, he's pretty aware. He's always like, Yeah, he, he kind of knows Mom makes TV, which is weird.


Amy That's amazing. And I also love just the Ninja Turtle Ice Cream with the Gumdrop Eyes. It's one of those?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Yeah, exactly. The bubblegum eyes.


Amy Man that takes me back.


Grace So this show is called The Antidote because life is hard and we all need different antidotes to deal with all the bullsh--. So what is your antidote? In other words, what is something non-work-related that's bringing you joy this week or this month?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Honestly, I think my antidote lately has just been sitting in my car, like it's not the most. It's not the most luxurious thing in the world but my dad.


Amy In traffic?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas No. So like when my dad my dad is a pharmacist is a pharmacist and he used to work night shifts and so he would come home at like 6 a.m. He'd be like, You want to go get a coffee? And I was like ten and shouldn't probably have been drinking coffee, but we go to Circle K and like split a newspaper and just sit in the car. And I think people watch and like sip on a coffee and it was mostly just like milk and sugar, I think probably. Right. But whenever I get like kind of down by life, when you're working and you're a mom and you're like no time finding like little five minute increments that are like, just for you. And oddly, I really like sitting in my car, so I'll like get to work 10 minutes early. I'm like blast music because music always sounds the best in your car. In your car. I'll just sing at the top of my lungs or I'll have like a little five minute date with myself, with, like, the pastry I want or the drink that I want, and just kind of like, kind of it's not meditative. I don't know if it's healthy, but it's like being in a cocoon or something for four or 5 minutes, and I just kind of take that time.


Amy Yeah, I identify with this. I have a bad habit. Well, not a bad habit. I think I am seeking time to myself and, like, just, like, quiet and solitude. But I'll come back from, like, driving to a meeting or whatever. I'll come back home and I'll sit in my garage until, like, the light sensor goes off.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Yes.


Amy I'll just be in the garage and I'll keep listening to my podcast and sitting there or like play finish the song that I'm listening to her answer to emails. I'm just by myself. And then the light turns off in my garage and I'm in the darkness. And then I'm like time to go, girl. But I feel that.


Grace And I love that. It's, like, connected to a memory about your dad, too. I think that's so sweet. Like some of these things that you don't even realize. Like a couple years ago, like I realized, like, my dad used to bring us like candy at night. He used to bring us, like, Snickers bars or whatever. Like whenever you come home from work, like he would go from work to the gym or whatever. Hi, Dad. I know you're listening. So you go from work to the gym, and then afterwards he would bring us a little treat like a candy. And so I realized that's connected to my desire. I only want sweets at night. It's like.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Lovely.


Grace Yeah. So. It like you don't know how those little things like affect you. And I think it's really sweet that you're first of all, I'm just like picturing tiny you with a half of a newspaper and a cup of coffee. How cute is that?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas It was probably the funny pages. But yeah, it was like a 40 year old man when I was ten, basically.


Amy Just reading Cathy.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Oh, my God. That's what one of the writers on Rutherford Falls calls me is Navajo Cathy because. I'm always. Like, stressed and, like, running around, like, ack ack is like.


Amy Well, you were quoted as saying you've come a long way from reading those funny pages, and you were quoted as saying, quote, The Navajo are a matrilineal tribe. So it's not weird for women to be in charge. And, quote, I want to know, what does it feel like, Sierra, to be a bad bitch? What's it feel like? You are in charge. You're running a show you created. What does that feel like? 


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Amazing. It feels really good. Like, I feel like we all have similar careers in that. Like, we worked our way up from from staff writer. And we're not like, you know, I mean, like Amy and I worked on Happy Endings together and like, that was my first job in television and it was David Caspe the show creator's first job in television. So like there are people who show up and have these ideas and they get made. And I very much was like, not someone who just showed up. I like have been here for for 12 years and. Yeah, and I mean, you remember that room like Josh Bycel and Groff and Gail like they love to teach and they love to almost huge from Hillary. Like, they love to teach and they love to give like, lessons. And I remember just like writing everything down, like writing down what to do, what not to do, because they like people would come back with failed pilots and like explain where it went wrong. Right. And things like that. I remember just like writing it all down. And so it's almost like when I get to be in this job and impart that knowledge to the new writers, which is like such a great feeling, especially the native writers, and then also like to know what to do in those situations because someone told you, you know, it's just like a really cool feeling of like I remember bosses having those like one percenter jokes are like, I don't care if anyone gets that, I just want to put it in and like the ability to do that and know that like native people are going to get it and like it's your story and you get to and the story of so many people in your community. Like it's just it's a great feeling. I don't know about it, but it feels good to be the boss like I've always been bossy.


Grace So with all this Cathy energy that you have and frantic, frantic energy, do you have any rituals in your life that sort of help calm you?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas I used to go to Korean spas a lot. That was like my favorite thing to do pre-COVID. And I've kind of tried to recreate a lot of that with like pads and face masks and things like that. I bought at Target, there was this sort of like basic, basic bitch mom target egg chair that like during the pandemic, just like went away. And I'm a part of this moms group on Facebook and any time there were like, like the targetin Rosita has the egg chair, like it was a big deal. Like you had to do, like. I was up late or something and someone posted that they think the egg chairs are in Eagle Rock. And I was like, I bought one immediately and I put it together and I just have this little balcony and it's weird. It's like being in a cage, except it's got a big opening. But I stood out and this little balcony that I have and I just look out my, my into like kind of Glendale Hill in my house. And sometimes I'll sit with my son and I'll just, like, drink coffee and just stare and kind of have a moment. We have these I've had some some deaths in my family due to COVID. And my mom said that like she believes that hummingbirds are signs of people coming to visit you. And so we have like a lot of hummingbirds come and it's just really lovely to kind of watch them and feed them and just sit and kind of have a moment. Especially like before my son wakes up or before my husband wakes up and just kind of have that time alone. Sometimes I just scroll on Twitter and it's not healthy, but some of the egg it feels, it still feels healthy ish a little bit.


Grace Because you're in your egg, you're in like your cocoon.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Yeah, exactly.


Amy Yeah. Well, when it comes to a spa day, that speaks to Grace because we. Yeah. Grace's self-care routine. So I want to hear from both of you. What is your like must in your spa day, self-care, skin care, whatever the thing is that you do to sort of relax and bring like self beauty back into your life? What is your must? What's the thing that you're like, Oh, I got to do this each time.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas I have, like a big, like, soaking tub, like a yeah, that's like really hot. And I'll put in. During the pandemic, January Jones had that like a recipe where it was like baking soda and apple cider vinegar. I did it once. I was like, This is too much for me. I can't do it. It was like. I was like, God bless you. I can't, I can't do it. But I'll do like a lot of a lot of Epsom salts and a little bit of bath oil and I'll just soak and soak, but I'll do like a Caldwell like face mask because I feel like your pores open up. So it really kind of penetrates. Then I'll get one of those, like Korean scrub scrubs and just scrub all the dead skin and kind of give myself my own Korean scrub. And then you sometimes you have to, like, let the water go and kind of clean it out and then refill. So sometimes if I'm feeling very special, I will treat myself to a refill because I hate wasting water. I feel very guilty. But if it's been a very long day and then I'll like set up an iPad I had. There's an incredible P.A. on our show who is a woodworker. And he took measurements of my bathtub and made a little, like Trumbo table for me so I can, like, work in the bathtub. Or I can watch him think, Oh, it's amazing. This is beautiful, like zebra wood. And and I'll just sit there and just hang out by myself for a while. Sometimes about that, I'll come visit for a second and then he'll leave. He'll like check on me.


Grace Like this. This is mommy time.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas But it's. But it's good. And then. And I'll do a hair mask. That's the big thing. So my favorite things to do. Yeah. So you you like, I'll do like a scrub for my scalp. And then they have these hair masks that you can put on. Sometimes what I'll do if I'm feeling really down and have to go to work is I will wet my hair and put a giant hair mask on where I just like douse my hair in it and I'll do two braids and kind of Heidi clip them up. And so I've done that all day and then at night I'll take the bath. So like, it's like my hair is getting ready and then I take the bath and have, have, have a night.


Grace Yeah, I've done that before. I've like deep conditioned all day, so I will, I'll put the conditioner in my hair and then I'll put like a little plastic cap on and then I'll put a little head wrap on over it. So my little secret, I just get my moisture in.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Nobody knows. And there's something about it where it's like I'm being so productive in my relaxation.


Grace Yeah.


Amy I love it. I'm typing and I'm getting soft skin. F--- you, world.


Grace You don't even know about it.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas But yeah, that's, that's what I enjoy doing. 


Amy Yeah. I don't know. It's wild to me to even hear you saying that you had the Korean spa like scrub brush just scrub off the dead skin in my head. I was like, I thought you had to go to a spa to get that. And I'm like, Oh, you can, you can buy that.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Yeah, they have like a gift shop and you can like buy like packs of five and stuff and like.


Grace You looking at two hoes who love a scrub. Okay.


Amy Yeah.


Grace We love a scrub. Yeah, we'd be scrubbing.


Two hoes that scrub needs to be a pilot.


Grace Ok, let's write it Okay.


Amy You heard it here first, Grace Edwards is working two hoes that scrub. Told ya - do people still say told ya for Deadline? I don't care.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas I know. I love it.


Amy I had a question. I wanted to know if you were wearing a power piece today and if you could describe for our listeners what a power piece is.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas I buy a lot of native jewelry. I love native jewelry, specifically Navajo jewelry, because that's my tribe. And when you go out and try to get a job interview or you a dissertation or when I was pitching, I have like a, you know, glove compartment full of jewelry. And I would pick, you know, the power piece that I would go in and feel most confident wearing. So, yeah, today I was very nervous about being on a panel with Robin Thede.


Amy She's an icon.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas She's like such a force. And I was like oh my God. And so I had a squash blossom necklace, which was like a giant piece of turquoise and silver work. And it was gifted to me at the Indian Gaming Conference because we show we did a Rutherford Falls panel and they gave the men bow ties and they gave the women these squash blossom necklaces. And it's huge and as beautiful as I put that on and some big earrings. And then I have a beaded bracelet that says Skoden, which is like a native lingo for like, let's go then. And yeah, and then I wore that and I wore Cody Sanderson is this amazing Navajo silversmith, and he has this silver ring that has the word bitch backwards on it. So, like, if you punch someone, you leave the word bitch on their face.


Grace Yeah.


Amy I'm obsessed. I need that. Cody, are you listening?


Grace I need that in my life. I need it.


Amy Cody.


Grace I mean, I got. I've never been in a fight. But I will get in one


Amy But I will get in one.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas You want to get into one wearing one of his rings and I have a couple of pieces in the show, Rutherford Falls. There's a scene where Terry's about to go up against a huge corporation, and he opens up a safe filled with native jewelry. And it was all the jewelry from the writers. And this gentleman named Byrd running water. And we all donated pieces to put in. And one of them was this Cody Sanderson bracelet, and that's what he wears. But that was like one of the first things I bought when I got to be money, because that was like a real sign, like I had made it as I had a Cody Sanderson piece. But yeah, so and like sometimes too, and like your page doesn't go well. You're like, got to change of the power pieces. Like put the back and put this one on. And, and you have like, you know, I have like jewelry for my grandma and jewelry for my mom. Like, my mom gave me a bunch of pieces when I had to do press last year and stuff. So it's it's a native thing. We love we love our jewelry. My son has a jewelry. A box with jewelry, you start wearing it really early like little baby bracelets and baby necklaces and stuff. And so we start we start really young. Yeah.


Grace Yeah. My friend Azie Dungey, a Black and native writer, she makes beautiful earrings.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Gorgeous stuff. Yeah, she is a writer on season two of Rutherford. Oh, great. Yeah, I love her to few things, but her tastes. Oh, my God. Like, we just. Like it's always a lot of the writers on our show who are native are also beadwork artists. So Janet Sweeting and Bobby Wilson, they do a lot of quill work. And like some of them, I was like, I would hire you off of your beadwork. Like just the precision and the humor from those pieces. I was like.


Amy Yeah.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas I would staff them based on their beadwork, like 100%.


Grace Do you have like a formative piece of like art that has had an impact on your life? Like a book, a play, a show, you know, even a painting or something that has had an effect on you?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Oh, man. I would say The Godfather. Yeah, I would say When Harry Met Sally and I would say my mom and her sister worked on this giant two great hills rug. It took them four years to weave. And I was like, I was like six or seven when they took them. They fought for two years, so it really only took them two years to weeks, but there was like a break up in the middle and then they got the band back together.


Amy It's a journey.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas But like watching my mom and her work on this piece. They won Best of Show at Santa Fe Indian Market, which is the first time in like 70 years a textile had ever won. And it really changed the face of Navajo weaving. And so to watch these, like, native women go through this, like, artistic process and have a vision and a plan and execute it, we were like on CNN, my mom's rug was like in Business Week. It was like, buy this was bought by this like software engineer, a millionaire guy. And it really changed our lives. It changed the kind of course of my whole future. But there was something about like watching her weave into the night. It was like the first thing she saw when she woke up. It was the last thing she saw when she went to sleep, like she just wove and wove. And it was like, oh, a lady with a dream. Like it was really. And I remember being like, so inspired. And when she was weaving, weaving is so sedentary, like we were binge watching before, that was a thing. Like we'd go to Blockbuster and get like eight movies and the sun would come up and I would be like beading and she would be weaving. And it was just like she was like we were like coworkers a lot in the summertime. And I think watching her make art and then watching these movies and having her explain them to me and my dad explained that like that was like very formative.


Grace I think it's beautiful, like when artists actually grow up in artist's households. So like that lesson that your mother kind of taught you, like weaving this, this rug for all those years. Like, it's, like, possessed, like, but it's like that's such a beautiful lesson that, you know, we as as as artists have to learn. Like, it's the persistence and it's the vision and seeing it all the way through to the end, because a lot of people would have given up. A lot of people want to finish that rug. But look how it was such a change maker for your whole family. That's beautiful. Yeah. And then also, I love When Harry Met Sally. That's like one of my favorite movies of all time.


Amy I want that movie, Sierra. The movie about this rug and this mother, daughter, sister or aunt relationship around this rug. That sounds beautiful.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Oh, thank you. I hope so. I hope to write it someday.


Amy I was gonna say. I want to see baby Sierra with her hands on her hips like Meg Ryan with the Cathy cartoon and a tiny little coffee just like, literally, like I'm an adult.


Grace I'm watching The Godfather. Excuse me.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Leave me alone. No, I definitely was like a tiny 40 year old. But once I turned 40, I was like, Oh, thank God. I'm finally this thing I've been pretending to be for 30 years. No, I was just going to add, like you were talking about, like that artist persistence. And I also think one of the things that really helped I remember you talking me one time, I don't remember this about like Nigerian confidence. You're like, Oh, that's my Nigerian confidence. And you should just like referenced it. And I was like, Oh my God. And I think like Navajos have something similar where it's like knowing your worth, like, just really like forcing people to recognize your worth. And, and I feel like my, my mom was an artist who never was recognized as an artist. She was recognized as like a craftsperson or like curio creator kind of thing. And but she knew she was an artist. And one time we went to Lachman to see this Van Gogh exhibit, and it was really beautiful. And my parents cared about art, so they took us to see it. But there was a rug exhibit of rugs that were made during, I want to say, the 1800s, which is around the time Van Gogh was around. And she was like, everyone knows who Van Gogh is and no one knows who these women are. And she was like she was like they didn't get to sign their work, so no one knows who they are. And it was really her calling to like and so she started doing recreations of rugs from that time period. And I think, like, that is something when you're talking about like matriarchs and feeling like a boss, like watching them have to really like demand that their worth be recognized was like integral to, like my career and my, my, my path.


Amy Sierra. Wow. I feel we we both feel so much better now that we talk to you.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Oh, thank you for saying that. Same. Same.


Grace Yes, she's right. Like the world is is still a terrible place but it sucks a little less because we've talked to you.


Amy Thank you. Thank you. Well, we know what you have coming up, but I'd love for you to just let us know. You know, feel free to plug it. And if there's anything else you want to plug, feel free to mention.


Sierra Tellter Ornelas Yes. So Rutherford Falls Season two is premiering June 16th on Peacock. I hope everyone will watch. Please binge it. Please watch something else after you finish it. So the algorithm thinks we're good boys and girls. And thank you so much for having me on here. This I was so, so lovely. Thank you.


Grace I thank you for coming. And where can people find you? On the Internet?


Sierra Tellter Ornelas I'm at SierraOrnelas on most platforms.


Amy Beautiful. Well, thank you so much, Sierra.


Grace Okay to close us out. We're doing our creative tap in, which is our segment about creativity. Amy, are you ready for this week's quote?


Amy Sure am. Go for it.


Grace Okay. When creativity melds together with global issues, I believe you can bring the world together. And that's by Virgil Abloh. Rest in peace again. That's when creativity melds together with global issues. I believe you can bring the world together. Virgil Abloh.


Amy That's beautiful. I. I love Virgil Abloh. His death really affected me. I'm going to be honest. I was really, really emotional. And I don't always get mad emotional when celebrities die. I think it was just because it felt like he was in his zone of genius. When he died, he had already conquered so much and he was like getting into directing and like set design and all these other cool things that extend beyond like art are beside and yet beyond his role as a creative director for Louis Vuitton. And I just started buying his stuff like I have a Virgil Abloh wallet, I have off-white shoes. Like, I was just so obsessed with him and like where he was going as a Black creative. I even like was in Miami and went to like they had at where his show was and I went.


Grace Art Basel.


Amy Yeah. During Art Basel, I went and saw the setting for his last runway show and I watched it live on the Louis Vuitton Twitter page. Sorry, this is not about the quote at all. I'm just saying, I'm a huge Virgil Abloh fan. I'm obsessed with him.


Grace Yeah. Yeah.


Amy But yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just it really affected me when he passed and I kept wondering why. And I think so much of it was because even though we clowned him for like donating $10 to charities and things like that, it was like he really was someone who's like, I stand for the culture and I play in all spaces, but I'm going to use my creativity to uplift blackness across the world. And it made me feel the same way as like like design and television and movies. They have a way to impact the world. So when I hear this quote, I feel like he's it's almost like him saying that that it was his purpose to use creativity and meld it with global issues, like what does it mean to elevate blackness? And then he was hoping to bring the world together by doing this. So the quote to me kind of like speaks to his, like, mission as an artist. I will say there's part of me like a skeptic in me that is kind of like I mean, we can try, but will it work? Case in point, America sucking. But I also it was sort of like we have to have grand ambitions to achieve bigger things. And I think that's what this speaks to is a grand ambition. And I think it's beautiful, but I'm also biased because I love him. So. Yeah. What is the quote make you think, Grace?


Grace Um, well, it just makes me think about the power of art to bring issues to people's hearts instead of their heads. So you can. You can watch you can know that there were black people being lynched, you know, since the beginning of this country, frankly. But if you listen to Strange Fruit by Billie Holiday, it gives you an emotion. You know, you can know something intellectually. But what I think the power of art is, is to make you feel it's to sort of make it into an emotional thing that you can consume. So, you know, strange fruit. Billie Holiday The revolution will not be televised. Like Jill Scott Heron. What's going on? Marvin Gaye. Like, you know, movies like Moonlight and Hidden Figures and, you know, 12 Years a Slave or whatever. Like, it's, I mean.


Amy Yeah, it's. You not wrong. You not wrong. You're not wrong, you're not wrong.


Grace It connects, you know, facts into an emotion, which I think is the wonderful thing about art. So what Virgil was saying and what his art was an example of is the way that you can use your art no matter what medium it is, to bring awareness to things, to bring an emotion to things, to celebrate a culture, to make us feel something about something we know emotionally. Like we can know how hard it is to be a black gay man in America. But then you watch him. Moonlight and you watch it happen and you watch in all the ways it manifests in these characters lives, and it makes you more connected to the struggle if you are a person that has empathy. So I think what Virgil was saying was that art has the power to take history and current issues and and frame them in a way, in an artistic expression, whether it be a song or a pair of sneakers or a film or television show to make people feel more deeply about that thing. And frankly, that's what I love about comedy and about being a comedy writer is that you can hide a lot of things in humor. You can give somebody like a little candy with their medicine. And as somebody who loves to do.


Amy Loves some nighttime candy


Grace Exactly. So, yeah, that's definitely what it makes me think and feel.


Amy That's beautiful.


Grace Okay. Thanks for listening to The Antidote to we hope this injected a little bit of joy into your week. I know it did mine. How about you, Amy?


Amy Yeah, I. Feel good, girl. We should do this again sometime. Oh, we'll be here next week.


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Amy Okay.